KVR Audio

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:08 am

Don't waste another moment: download xoxos's Isnonu. it's free and great.
or try contra logic's pterasaur (smooth/not dirty)

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:25 am

isnonu is nice, definetely, although it lacks the stereo spread imho (or did he add that recently and I missed it?) Again, SE though ... (but I'm trying to get xoxos to go the full C++ route ... he's doing custom modules for SE already

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speccyteccy · Post by **speccyteccy** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:34 am

GFPBeta and ZebraCM

advaya · Post by **advaya** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:37 am

Chris Walton wrote:I've yet to find anything that beats my 16 3xOsc setup (48 sawtooth oscillators, per note - not even sylenth can do that ).

I seem to remember you posting a sound-clip of that quite some time ago. If that was indeed the 16X3XOsc thing, then yeah, it was pretty impressive.

neilpullen · Post by **neilpullen** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:40 am

Sylenth has one of the best supersaws that I've heard in a software synth.

BASSDRIVE · Post by **BASSDRIVE** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:01 am

Native Instruments Pro-53

Check this out, a little something I did:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/538614317ca9b1/

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:05 am

speccyteccy wrote:GFPBeta

link?

BASSDRIVE wrote:Native Instruments Pro-53

Check this out, a little something I did:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/538614317ca9b1/

lacks stereo spread

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:20 am

If I may ask a question...

How many saws make sense? I've tested some stuff here and couldn't make out much of a difference after 10-12 slightly detuned saws - especially if you have additional means such as noise generators at hand. I guess that's the reason why the Virus TI stops at 9. They probably thought it wasn't worth adding more.

Thus I'm not sure if I'd settle with maybe 8, 11 or 16 saws for the next implementation...?

I mean seriously, does 32 saws make a difference to 12? What if you add a bit of white noise to 12? And how many cents would the maximum detune be? Is there a relation between detune and the number of audible saws?

Sorry for the OT question, but there seem to be a lot of experts in this thread...

Thanks,

Urs

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:27 am

Urs wrote:If I may ask a question...

How many saws make sense? I've tested some stuff here and couldn't make out much of a difference after 10-12 slightly detuned saws - especially if you have additional means such as noise generators at hand. I guess that's the reason why the Virus TI stops at 9. They probably thought it wasn't worth adding more.

Thus I'm not sure if I'd settle with maybe 8, 11 or 16 saws for the next implementation...?

I mean seriously, does 32 saws make a difference to 12? What if you add a bit of white noise to 12? And how many cents would the maximum detune be? Is there a relation between detune and the number of audible saws?

Sorry for the OT question, but there seem to be a lot of experts in this thread...

Thanks,

Urs

The difference between 2 and 3 saws is much bigger than between 20 and 30 saws.

I noticed that with my 48 Oscillator setup that things still were very close to something that could be done with, say, 9 oscillators, except that the thing sounds a bit more "smeared", and with very little occasional peaking/phasing effects.

A demo I made of it recently:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/8/31/ ... 48xOsc.mp3

olepro · Post by **olepro** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:38 am

MaliceX wrote:
Chris Walton wrote:I've yet to find anything that beats my 16 3xOsc setup (48 sawtooth oscillators, per note - not even sylenth can do that ).

Sylenth does a good supersaw too but I really don't like it's filter.
Helix:

4xOSC x 16 Unison voices, with an option of octaves.

64 simultaneous saw oscillators, or 128 simultaneous single-cycle saws if you count octaves.

It just needs some work, but it's already sounding great, and uses shit all CPU.

In Vaz 2010 you can have 288 saw waves playing at one time.
But who the hell would do that !!!
Then it just starts to sound more like air and not saw waves

By the way... Synth1 has a great multi saw implementation in oscillator 1 and unison on the master out, and it can sound really great and big.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:18 am

Urs wrote:I mean seriously, does 32 saws make a difference to 12?

Yes, I've been testing supersaws on all these synths for hours now. It seems this is the optimal setup for most synths--

Osc 1
-1x16 Saw
-Panned quarter to half left
-Detuned -.04 to -.16
Osc 2
-1x16 Saw
-Panned quarter to half right
-Detuned +.04 to +.16

Urs wrote:What if you add a bit of white noise to 12?

From my experience white noise makes the synth sound dirty. It's not always desirable. I prefer no white noise for a clean/purer sound.

Urs wrote:And how many cents would the maximum detune be? Is there a relation between detune and the number of audible saws?

Maximum detune? I'm not sure how to measure detune, but definitely more than enough is good so the user can find the sweet spot. Modulating detune is always good and small amounts of detune are just as desirable as large amounts.

Urs wrote:Sorry for the OT question, but there seem to be a lot of experts in this thread...

Really? lol. I think you're on the top of the expert list. But I think you've inclined me to take this thread to the next level with mp3 demos and such.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:32 am

Hi Architheutis,

Apart from all the great synths already mentioned in this thread you might have a look to Sytrus.

Great supersaw abilities, with interesting parameters to control it.

Check Image-line site for demos

Cheers,

LtZ

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:40 am

Lotuzia wrote:Apart from all the great synths already mentioned in this thread you might have a look to Sytrus.

will do

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:17 pm

omg, does someone own sytrus? I cannot figure it out. Can anyone send me a patch based on my tests? Dry superwave with a tiny bit of attack (so it's not tooo clicky) with a small bit of release. Here's the midi:

http://www.elanhickler.com/d/supermid.mid

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:26 pm

The optimum number of saws in a Super-/Hypersaw is 11...
It's one more

What's the best synth for Supersaw? [note: ancient thread]