G-Sonique Renegade

[funkychickendance]

is this standard synthmaker algorithms?

their site says C++/Assembler.

It's a very simple synth (no mono/legato mode, no pitchbend etc) but it does sound pretty good for a trance/dance synth. Seems to have some rather beefy bass presets.

The two filters (in series) sound OK to me, but I'm hardly an expert in that dept.

It is what it is I guess.

It's not a bad little synth, which you can also say about their Alien303. There are some nice presets, some boring ones. Pretty good for the trance/dance/acid kind of music, which is all they claim for it. Not everything has to be a $200 Swiss Army Knife.

//fnx

[Integratron]

This looks very cool! I must try it now!

[grymmjack]

guess that means he is using the low level SM crap, but tis' still SM and not C++. he's lying unless C++ can integrate somehow with SM?

SM has both "code" and "ASM" programming. The "Code" module uses a special version of C++ where the main difference is that you can't use conditional statements, but they are not necessary in audio coding, for obvious reasons (audio never goes back in time, well at least not until 23rd of december, 2012).
There are, anyway, easy workarounds to obtain "if-then" commands in the code module. The ASM is just pure ASM as far as I know (I can't use that stuff still, very hard to understand, for real geeks), and both modules can take advantage of SSE/SSE2 4-parallel processing.

So if he's telling the truth he did one of this things:

1. re-written his algos in SM from his own orginal c++ code.
2. made them from scratch directly in the SM code module

OR

3. grabbed SM codes already written by others and modified it.

ok, is the ASM in SM actually low level macro assembly like MOV, JMP, registers, etc that actually translates somehow to inline ASM during compilation - ie: how could it be possible unless SM generated some source code to make it's DLL? i dunno seems bs? if SM can utilize somehow real inline assembly at the lowest level (again dont know how it could be possible even) i'd love to eat my words on this

if he's not lying then that's truly kick ass thing SM can do.

only he and the SM devs know in the end i suppose. i dont know enough to know beyond when i sense bs based on practical knowledge gleaned over years of experimentation and casual programming.

anyway it's not a witch hunt just curious as i've never heard of SM using "asm" i've heard of it's code modules and that i can believe surely. just not 1:1 running on the bare metal ASM code.

[Integratron]

I removed all the ignorant parts of my post and --- is all that's left.

I really like this synth and find it difficult to find fault, regardless of the quality of the code. I checked out most of the presets, and like another poster stated, really fat sound. Some super nice basses and leads.

Although there exists a certain similarity many of the presets, the overall voice of this synth seems to be somewhat unique... in other words, I don't really have any other plugs that sound quite the same.

I like the GUI... sophisticated flashy; logical ergonomic layout that seems easy to get my walnut sized computer around! The synth seemed rock solid and very stingy on the CPU.

I didn't spend a great deal of time with the knobage but my first impression is... I want it! Seems like a bargain at 19.90 euro... hey that's 28.80 in USD.

[HERCsMusic]

I've only played with it a little but first impressions are that it's not a bad soundmaker. The sound is beefy and the saturation module on the output adds some nice overdrive to the results. It's good for what it is. easy enough to program and a decent delay and chorus. I'd like to see some control of semitones per oscillator though and the amp envelope seems a little unresponsive. Try turning the Attack knob from zero and increase the attack...you'll note that it's not that precise. Filters sound ok, but behave quite strangely at times...or at least, not what you'd expect...making them a little less sharp than you'd imagine at certain open settings and at other times, there seems to be some sort of self oscillation going on. It's not a bad thing, it just makes it kind of organic I guess.
It's a clean sound and easy to use. Not a bad price for what it is...but I'd like to see a couple of improvements on the basic model.

Steve

[advaya]

Not everything has to be a $200 Swiss Army Knife.

Amen to that. I think this synth will find it's comfortable niche to occupy. I've been enjoying the demo (except fot that annoying noise burst), and yeah, the current price seems pretty decent for what it offers (even if there is some discrepancy behind it's coding... ASM, SM, C+ ... it's all greek to me anyway).

[Acrobat]

ok, is the ASM in SM actually low level macro assembly like MOV, JMP, registers, etc that actually translates somehow to inline ASM during compilation - ie: how could it be possible unless SM generated some source code to make it's DLL? i dunno seems bs? if SM can utilize somehow real inline assembly at the lowest level (again dont know how it could be possible even) i'd love to eat my words on this

if he's not lying then that's truly kick ass thing SM can do.

only he and the SM devs know in the end i suppose. i dont know enough to know beyond when i sense bs based on practical knowledge gleaned over years of experimentation and casual programming.

anyway it's not a witch hunt just curious as i've never heard of SM using "asm" i've heard of it's code modules and that i can believe surely. just not 1:1 running on the bare metal ASM code.

The cool thing is you can write your application in the code box then connect with a cable from a dedicated output to a text box and see the assembler flow that it generates..and save it for later use.... but I'm not an expert, there are several guys who can write in SynthMaker's ASM they've gone very low in the app, you can find them in our forum...

[funkychickendance]

Not everything has to be a $200 Swiss Army Knife.

Amen to that. I think this synth will find it's comfortable niche to occupy. I've been enjoying the demo (except fot that annoying noise burst), and yeah, the current price seems pretty decent for what it offers (even if there is some discrepancy behind it's coding... ASM, SM, C+ ... it's all greek to me anyway).

Well, it's all GEEK to me.

I'm happy I bought it. It'll get used in the right circumstances. You don't need Sampletank 2 to do simple dance moosic.

//fnx

[thenumber23]

Does anyone know what the copy protection is? KvR lists it as unknown, and their site doesn't talk about it.

Brian

[funkychickendance]

Does anyone know what the copy protection is? KvR lists it as unknown, and their site doesn't talk about it.

Brian

They send you a (complicated) link to a unique .zip file. The synth is tagged with your name and e-mail address, making it rather foolhardy to bootleg, cos your name and how ta find ya is all over it.

//fnx

[thenumber23]

At least it's not dongle or challenge response. I think I'll buy it this afternoon.

[cain]

im picking it up to, will fit right in to my new projects im working on(jungle-break fusion)

[Integratron]

You might want to check out Advantus 1.5. For about $1.00 more, I think it is a killer buy that you may like better than Renegade.

http://www.softplug.com/

[BFunKu]

You might want to check out Advantus 1.5. For about $1.00 more, I think it is a killer buy that you may like better than Renegade.

http://www.softplug.com/

I thought Softplug pulled a SuperWave and disappeared I guess not?

[funkychickendance]

You might want to check out Advantus 1.5. For about $1.00 more, I think it is a killer buy that you may like better than Renegade.

http://www.softplug.com/

I thought Softplug pulled a SuperWave and disappeared I guess not?

The latest 'news' items on the site are from April 2005 and January 2006

Absent any fresher evidence, i'd go for Renegade, even if i hadn't already...


//fnx