The first person to buy Ocean Way Drums

[bduffy]

And did I hear that right? No China cymbals? That's kind of an essential cymbal imo but I guess could be worked around. Wouldn't care about spocks as much.

Yeah no Chinas or splashes. Allen and Steve have plans for this and some esoteric drums and percussion. This was more standard stuff they use on records.

There are plenty of Chinas in Danny Gottlieb's Cymbal Library coming up though.

Regarding the snare fills, they sound fine to me. There is only one fill that sounds a little repeated to me but that is the way it was programmed (I didn't do that one) because there are more articulations per snare than any other product on the market. So I could have fixed that if I was doing it. Anyway, it sounds freakin' incredible. Please watch the video on www.oceanwaydrums.com that I did which will really tell you what it is capable of. You can do 100% convincing drum tracks with this more than any other drum product. It all depends on how you learn to program though. You still have to be able to PLAY to get the results. Watch my I-Map video and you'll see what can be done.

I'll check out the video, but pretty much every 16th-note fill in that rock demo just doesn't sound like a $2,000 drum kit. Don't mean to be cruel, I just don't expect to hear that at this price point.

[glokraw]

I remember when that Ringo fella and his band came to my town several decades back. None of the girls would even look at us for weeks, after the concert.


Shoot, they still won't!

[bduffy]

That effect seems to extend into the future...

[ATS]

The first person to buy Ocean Way Drums and have it delivered to them (so not counting pre-orders on esoundz who haven't had delivery yet and by the way it is going out on Monday for you all) but the first person is get this: Ringo Starr!!!!! I am going to meet him right now in fact. How awesome is that? He bought it too. No comps because Ocean Way and Allen know practically everyone in the industry so they all have to purchase it. But everyone is getting it in LA right now. It's being used on records immediately. I can't say which yet but some pretty big ones!

Gotta go. I'll take pictures.

Cheers

Squids

Dang Squids is meeting a living legend!


edit: slipped through your tentacles.

[Squids]

And did I hear that right? No China cymbals? That's kind of an essential cymbal imo but I guess could be worked around. Wouldn't care about spocks as much.

Yeah no Chinas or splashes. Allen and Steve have plans for this and some esoteric drums and percussion. This was more standard stuff they use on records.

There are plenty of Chinas in Danny Gottlieb's Cymbal Library coming up though.

Regarding the snare fills, they sound fine to me. There is only one fill that sounds a little repeated to me but that is the way it was programmed (I didn't do that one) because there are more articulations per snare than any other product on the market. So I could have fixed that if I was doing it. Anyway, it sounds freakin' incredible. Please watch the video on www.oceanwaydrums.com that I did which will really tell you what it is capable of. You can do 100% convincing drum tracks with this more than any other drum product. It all depends on how you learn to program though. You still have to be able to PLAY to get the results. Watch my I-Map video and you'll see what can be done.

I'll check out the video, but pretty much every 16th-note fill in that rock demo just doesn't sound like a $2,000 drum kit. Don't mean to be cruel, I just don't expect to hear that at this price point.

Well, first of all this isn't a $2,000 "Drum Kit". It's two collections of hundreds of thousands of drum hits that make up 19 drum kits with both snares on and snares off. The $2,000 Platinum collection is the one that is 96K vs. the $1,000 Gold which is the same sounds but only 48k. Obviously you're not even going to be hearing either of the full fidelity aspects in an mp3 demo anyway.

But no matter how great the product is in terms of fidelity and mapping the end results STILL will depend on how it is used. If you have multiple articulations of the snare (which you do in this product more than any other product on the market) then you have to USE them! If I was programming those demos... and I will be doing some demos as soon as I have time... I can do 16th note snare fills that sound absolutely perfect. If you don't believe me I'll be happy to prove just that with an audio example! No problem. I just need some time to do it at the office which I will try to do this week. I am 100% positive you can get complete realism - more out of this drum product than any other - if you put in the effort to use extras in the map. Remember the expanded i-map is new for everyone (except me and the SR guys). People will be discovering incredible things you can do with it. But you can also see this evidently in the video demonstration of the I-Map as well.

The reason I let it go and didn't say anything about the demo when I heard it is because I really love the sound of the demo. The character and mix of the drums in that context are great! So it is a tough call to make everyone go back to it again. Ideally I'd be a part of every demo so I could point out things you can do to improve drum programming. It's not hard. That's what that tutorial is all about. The variations are all there! But you have to make use of them. The drums in this demo was done by a drummer who was new to this. Overall his playing is great and it isn't quantized either. But, I agree one COULD be picky about this particular thing. Now you make me want to go and tweak that one part but man... I'd rather just make more demos personally.

A smart buyer doesn't judge just by an audio demo. What if it isn't the style of music you do? This alone is not going to justify the expense. Reading what it is, what it can do, how it was recorded, how it was programmed and watching carefully the demonstration videos should convey the difference between this product and others on the market. Of course we'll be making more and more demos as we go. The product has only just recently been completed! But anyway with all of this knowledge it should be clear why it costs more. If it isn't then we'll keep working to show more things about it so that it is. The good part, for me, is that I KNOW that it is freakin' incredible! So it is just a matter of communicating every aspect of that. It's a work of art that I am very proud of and I am positive that this product will blow tons of people away and help make their tracks sound great. It's already starting to now.

[Squids]

The first person to buy Ocean Way Drums and have it delivered to them (so not counting pre-orders on esoundz who haven't had delivery yet and by the way it is going out on Monday for you all) but the first person is get this: Ringo Starr!!!!! I am going to meet him right now in fact. How awesome is that? He bought it too. No comps because Ocean Way and Allen know practically everyone in the industry so they all have to purchase it. But everyone is getting it in LA right now. It's being used on records immediately. I can't say which yet but some pretty big ones!

Gotta go. I'll take pictures.

Cheers

Squids

Dang Squids is meeting a living legend!


edit: slipped through your tentacles.

Yeah. Ironically I actually worked on one of Ringo's albums about 10 years ago with Phil Ramone and Mark Hudson over at Westlake Studios. Mark Hart, from Crowded House, was playing keyboards and he brought me in to program for him. Actually, it's a funny story that I've told before here. One of the keyboards I had was a Wavestation. There was some sort of clav like sound and the engineers asked me if I could make it sound more "rrrrreeetttt" (phonetically a sort of distorted sound). I was TEMPTED to just say that they have a rack of effects behind them they could use but instead I thought about it and decided to try out the internal effects of the Wavestation instead. I put on a distortion, compressor and wah. Within SECONDS they heard almost the EXACT sound they were describing. They couldn't believe it and thought I was some kind of genius programmer or something. I can imagine they thought it was a form of synthesis that I was really fast at or something but all it was was flipping on some good internal effects (thanks Korg!). These guys were used to recording keys that don't have internal fx like real clavs, Prophet 5s etc. So I always thought that was a fun keyboardist/programmer's story. That one and the time I sampled Phil Collins drums only to find that Phil himself was going to sing back up on the track!!!! (had I known that I wouldn't have sampled his drums... he never knew until I told him later and he laughed).

I say ironically because I didn't actually meet Ringo then either! He wasn't there at the studio that day. So, I didn't get to meet Ringo this time too. Oh well. But I did deliver his Ocean Way Drums to him which he could be playing right now actually. Bruce Sugar his engineer is the one who brought me as his guest. There will be another time I am sure. I can already imagine the experience would not necessarily be SPECTACULAR or anything. I don't even know if I'd ask for an autograph or not. Probably not. It's just the idea. But I am happy enough about the fluke that Ringo was the first one to get Ocean Way Drums in his hands. The second person is a guy named Walter A who is a big producer working on an album that I can't talk about. I think he's using it for drum replacement with a famous drummer.

[Squids]

I did meet Barbara Bach though his wife and she is STILL gorgeous.

The Squids Who Loved Me?

[Reverend Rhythm]

Walter A...? Does that "A" have a lot of letters after it? Did he produce a girl singer named Mariah C.?

[bduffy]

And did I hear that right? No China cymbals? That's kind of an essential cymbal imo but I guess could be worked around. Wouldn't care about spocks as much.

Yeah no Chinas or splashes. Allen and Steve have plans for this and some esoteric drums and percussion. This was more standard stuff they use on records.

There are plenty of Chinas in Danny Gottlieb's Cymbal Library coming up though.

Regarding the snare fills, they sound fine to me. There is only one fill that sounds a little repeated to me but that is the way it was programmed (I didn't do that one) because there are more articulations per snare than any other product on the market. So I could have fixed that if I was doing it. Anyway, it sounds freakin' incredible. Please watch the video on www.oceanwaydrums.com that I did which will really tell you what it is capable of. You can do 100% convincing drum tracks with this more than any other drum product. It all depends on how you learn to program though. You still have to be able to PLAY to get the results. Watch my I-Map video and you'll see what can be done.

I'll check out the video, but pretty much every 16th-note fill in that rock demo just doesn't sound like a $2,000 drum kit. Don't mean to be cruel, I just don't expect to hear that at this price point.

Well, first of all this isn't a $2,000 "Drum Kit". It's two collections of hundreds of thousands of drum hits that make up 19 drum kits with both snares on and snares off. The $2,000 Platinum collection is the one that is 96K vs. the $1,000 Gold which is the same sounds but only 48k. Obviously you're not even going to be hearing either of the full fidelity aspects in an mp3 demo anyway.

But no matter how great the product is in terms of fidelity and mapping the end results STILL will depend on how it is used. If you have multiple articulations of the snare (which you do in this product more than any other product on the market) then you have to USE them! If I was programming those demos... and I will be doing some demos as soon as I have time... I can do 16th note snare fills that sound absolutely perfect. If you don't believe me I'll be happy to prove just that with an audio example! No problem. I just need some time to do it at the office which I will try to do this week. I am 100% positive you can get complete realism - more out of this drum product than any other - if you put in the effort to use extras in the map. Remember the expanded i-map is new for everyone (except me and the SR guys). People will be discovering incredible things you can do with it. But you can also see this evidently in the video demonstration of the I-Map as well.

The reason I let it go and didn't say anything about the demo when I heard it is because I really love the sound of the demo. The character and mix of the drums in that context are great! So it is a tough call to make everyone go back to it again. Ideally I'd be a part of every demo so I could point out things you can do to improve drum programming. It's not hard. That's what that tutorial is all about. The variations are all there! But you have to make use of them. The drums in this demo was done by a drummer who was new to this. Overall his playing is great and it isn't quantized either. But, I agree one COULD be picky about this particular thing. Now you make me want to go and tweak that one part but man... I'd rather just make more demos personally.

A smart buyer doesn't judge just by an audio demo. What if it isn't the style of music you do? This alone is not going to justify the expense. Reading what it is, what it can do, how it was recorded, how it was programmed and watching carefully the demonstration videos should convey the difference between this product and others on the market. Of course we'll be making more and more demos as we go. The product has only just recently been completed! But anyway with all of this knowledge it should be clear why it costs more. If it isn't then we'll keep working to show more things about it so that it is. The good part, for me, is that I KNOW that it is freakin' incredible! So it is just a matter of communicating every aspect of that. It's a work of art that I am very proud of and I am positive that this product will blow tons of people away and help make their tracks sound great. It's already starting to now.

Thanks for the response, Squids. I'm not going to judge the whole thing by that one demo, not my intent, I'm just really picky about drums. But at the end of the day, what else can I go on except for demos? Not like I can test-drive it or anything.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to get this excited about something that wasn't worth it, so I look forward to hearing more demos with greater use of the articulations.

[Squids]

Walter A...? Does that "A" have a lot of letters after it? Did he produce a girl singer named Mariah C.?

Almost rhymes with Snuffaluffagus.

[Reverend Rhythm]

Walter A...? Does that "A" have a lot of letters after it? Did he produce a girl singer named Mariah C.?

Almost rhymes with Snuffaluffagus.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that one! Isn't he famous for programing his own drums? I'm guessing he will put Ocean Way to good use.

[Squids]

Thanks for the response, Squids. I'm not going to judge the whole thing by that one demo, not my intent, I'm just really picky about drums. But at the end of the day, what else can I go on except for demos? Not like I can test-drive it or anything.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to get this excited about something that wasn't worth it, so I look forward to hearing more demos with greater use of the articulations.

I think it's GREAT that you are picky about drums. I am too! Making demos can be tough because you have to wait until the product is done (I think these were even made before the product was even done) and then you gotta put the product OUT and have demos! It's crazy. We only just got the serials from NI for them last week. So, as we go there will be more and more demos and even the pickiest will hear things that say "Yep that's the shit right there". I was doing that LIVE for people at NAMM and even some of the most accomplished drummers, producers and composers were looking at me and Steve saying exactly that! It was cool to see as well. Internally I think to myself "Squids you've got guts playing like that in front of ______". Fill in the blank. Omar Hakim, Danny Gottlieb, Phil Ramone, Greg Philapelli, Bruce Sugar... or even just in front of Allen Sides who we did this with! He IS still a major award-winning producer/engineer too! But, I just LOVE doing it and with Ocean Way Drums you have more articulations across the keyboard than we've EVER done before! The sound is SO freakin' CRISP it is unbelievable. I've never heard highs and lows like this before. No one has from samples. Seriously. I cannot tell you enough about the benefits of which mics, mic pres, room and engineer you use! Allen has the BEST of the best when it comes to those four things.

If you watch the videos with Allen there's a section where he talks about the mics. Each mic is different and to keep vintage mics running like they're new AND to HAND PICK out of thousands to get the CHOICE ones and to even KNOW what to look for is a knowledge and financial thing that is beyond most people. I for one am blown away by what is captured now for anyone to use... including myself! Psyched that I have this now. Production power just increased and that is my overall goal for myself. I want to make music that sounds like I had a million dollar budget but INDEPENDENTLY of a label. When you don't NEED a label ironically that's when you can get one. Haha. But still... I hope you guys get what we're going for here. It's extremely powerful. Plus, the "demos" you'll soon be hearing will be people's actual RECORDS! It's ALREADY being used on some heavy productions and producers are wanting it faster than we can even get it out the door (mostly the Platinum). Ringo go the Gold Edition. Most people will get that but the HD is appealing to those that have the budget and/or do 5.1 mixing or high resolution DVD-A or film work.

I appreciate your feedback. We WILL keep going until we've convinced as many people as possible what can be done with Ocean Way Drums... at least anyone that would seriously be considering getting this product.

[bduffy]

Thanks for the response, Squids. I'm not going to judge the whole thing by that one demo, not my intent, I'm just really picky about drums. But at the end of the day, what else can I go on except for demos? Not like I can test-drive it or anything.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to get this excited about something that wasn't worth it, so I look forward to hearing more demos with greater use of the articulations.

I think it's GREAT that you are picky about drums. I am too! Making demos can be tough because you have to wait until the product is done (I think these were even made before the product was even done) and then you gotta put the product OUT and have demos! It's crazy. We only just got the serials from NI for them last week. So, as we go there will be more and more demos and even the pickiest will hear things that say "Yep that's the shit right there". I was doing that LIVE for people at NAMM and even some of the most accomplished drummers, producers and composers were looking at me and Steve saying exactly that! It was cool to see as well. Internally I think to myself "Squids you've got guts playing like that in front of ______". Fill in the blank. Omar Hakim, Danny Gottlieb, Phil Ramone, Greg Philapelli, Bruce Sugar... or even just in front of Allen Sides! But, I just LOVE doing it and with Ocean Way Drums you have more articulations across the keyboard than we've EVER done before! The sound is SO freakin' CRISP it is unbelievable. I've never heard highs and lows like this before. No one has from samples. Seriously. I cannot tell you enough about the benefits of which mics, mic pres, room and engineer you use! Allen has the BEST of the best when it comes to those four things.

If you watch the videos with Allen there's a section where he talks about the mics. Each mic is different and to keep vintage mics running like they're new AND to HAND PICK out of thousands to get the CHOICE ones and to even KNOW what to look for is a knowledge and financial thing that is beyond most people. I for one am blown away by what is captured now for anyone to use... including myself! Psyched that I have this now. Production power just increased and that is my overall goal for myself. I want to make music that sounds like I had a million dollar budget but INDEPENDENTLY of a label. When you don't NEED a label ironically that's when you can get one. Haha. But still... I hope you guys get what we're going for here. It's extremely powerful. Plus, the "demos" you'll soon be hearing will be people's actual RECORDS! It's ALREADY being used on some heavy productions and producers are wanting it faster than we can even get it out the door (mostly the Platinum). Ringo go the Gold Edition. Most people will get that but the HD is appealing to those that have the budget and/or do 5.1 mixing or high resolution DVD-A or film work.

I appreciate your feedback. We WILL keep going until we've convinced as many people as possible what can be done with Ocean Way Drums... at least anyone that would seriously be considering getting this product.

Again, your excitement speaks for itself, and I'm glad that I can talk to you personally and get detailed background on the demos and the product; now my curiousity is piqued! I've been eyeing DFH2 and Mixosauraus as super-high quality upgrades (EZD is great, but I need more detail!), but now I'm very curious about OceanWay.

Listen: if you guys need any help with demos, let me know: I'm uber-passionate about virtual drum programming, and can turn out pretty convincing stuff. If you guys are too bogged down to make demos; I'm currently between jobs.

[BERFAB]

Dang Squids is meeting a living legend!


edit: slipped through your tentacles.

What!? Ringo slipped through your...oh, TENtacles...

Never mind.

-B

[Squids]

I am always looking for people to make demos for all sorts of products. This one is one where there are no comps. Each one has to be accounted for and paid for. However, if someone owned it (or any of our products) and wanted to submit a demo for it we could either pay them for it or offer them another product or credit on esoundz or something. The only thing there is we wouldn't want to insult someone if we chose not to take it. In this case it wouldn't only be up to me (in other cases it would). But we're always open to that.

Yes Berfy, he slipped through but that's ok. Again, when someone is in promo mode going from one event to another they are not going to spend the quality time hanging out with you. You get at most a handshake which is more of a novelty. I hope to meet him in a situation where we can talk for a bit. I am especially curious to talk to him after he's had a chance to play with Ocean Way Drums. He has a TD20 in his LA studio which is why he wanted it immediately.