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zircon · Post by **zircon** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:16 pm

I agree with all of what has been said in favor of stereo recording. But also, frankly, mono samples just do not sound as realistic to me. They don't capture the instrument properly.

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:01 pm

Stereo sampling is a waste of hd space and can ruin your mix. Yes because you have to mix that sounds, and you want to have TOTAL control over reverb and space position. A lot of stereo samples with reverb and ambience of the room in it can be a kick in the ass in the mixing process. A simple test every one can do is to mix the same song using the first time stereo samples and the second mix using mono version of the same sample set. The second mix will sound much clean and less difficult to mix.

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:16 pm

That's funny, because I use all stereo samples on all my mixes and I don't think any of them have been "ruined". In fact, the mixes I've done using mono samples actually sound far worse (eg. old Miroslav samples.)

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:27 pm

Well Zircon the problem is if you let your samples to mix themeselves or if you do a lot of work on your mixes. Anyway it can be something related with the musical genre. For example the Alexander soundtrack by Vangelis (we are talking about a professional job here) at the recording stage featured hundreds of tracks and to mix something like this is tedious if you work in stereo.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:28 pm

This thread is completely missing the point.

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A STEREO SOUND SOURCE! Guess what? Every sound is affected by reverb. Sound bounces off walls in different directions. That means sound is entering both ears at all times. That is *not* mono at all. I think you people need to look up Binaural recordings.

HEY I HAVE AN IDEA! LETS ALL USE MONO REVERB!

I hope you understand how ridiculous this thread is.

KKeene · Post by **KKeene** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:34 pm

I find stereo samples to be more useful. Stereo files offer more modes (mono L, mono R, mono mixed, mono mixed inverted, mono mixed MS, stereo, stereo inverted, stereo MS, etc), while mono files offer only one mode.

All stereo information is based on some type of delay, since sound does not reach each ear at the same time. Delay is also a factor in natural sound generation as body resonance and material transmission is all delay. Without delay, there is no music.

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:43 pm

Architeuthis wrote:HEY I HAVE AN IDEA! LETS ALL USE MONO REVERB!

I hope you understand how ridiculous this thread is.

The funny thing, there IS use for mono or near to mono reverb. I think this post has some valid points. Working with mono or stereo is personal taste, not right or wrong..

L

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:44 pm

I think both can work. I just check my mix in mono frequently to make sure that they don't collapse.

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:50 pm

@Architeuthis: "HEY I HAVE AN IDEA! LETS ALL USE MONO REVERB!"

Yes, there are situation where you need to work with mono reverb to place the instrument in "the right" place and to avoid an overall dull sound.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:56 pm

MaxSynths wrote:For example the Alexander soundtrack by Vangelis (we are talking about a professional job here) at the recording stage featured hundreds of tracks and to mix something like this is tedious if you work in stereo.

arent large orchestral sample sets recorded in the same acoustic space, with the instruments actually recorded where they would be physically located within that space, though?

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:01 pm

Yes, some of them are, like QLSO. VSL, which is recorded in a dry setting, is still stereo though. Believe me, working with mono orchestral samples sucks (ie. older libraries.) It NEVER sounds as good, even if you run it through a killer convolution reverb.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:03 pm

Lagrange wrote:
Architeuthis wrote:HEY I HAVE AN IDEA! LETS ALL USE MONO REVERB!

I hope you understand how ridiculous this thread is.
The funny thing, there IS use for mono or near to mono reverb. I think this post has some valid points. Working with mono or stereo is personal taste, not right or wrong..

L

MaxSynths wrote:@Architeuthis: "HEY I HAVE AN IDEA! LETS ALL USE MONO REVERB!"

Yes, there are situation where you need to work with mono reverb to place the instrument in "the right" place and to avoid an overall dull sound.

Yes you are absolutely right. However, we are not talking about these situations. We aren't even talking about reverb. We are saying that Mono SAMPLES is way better than Stereo SAMPLES all the time. That arguement is ridiculous.

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:34 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
MaxSynths wrote:For example the Alexander soundtrack by Vangelis (we are talking about a professional job here) at the recording stage featured hundreds of tracks and to mix something like this is tedious if you work in stereo.
arent large orchestral sample sets recorded in the same acoustic space, with the instruments actually recorded where they would be physically located within that space, though?

Vangelis uses a lot of hardware samplers, no computers.... I think he don't use those huge libraries.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:00 pm

MaxSynths wrote:Vangelis uses a lot of hardware samplers, no computers.... I think he don't use those huge libraries.

thats nice for Vangelis, but kind of irrelevant, unless your only concern is doing exactly what Vangelis does.

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:06 pm

I want to be a Vangelis clone

Samples recorded in stereo. Why?