KVR Audio

botkiller · Post by **botkiller** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:11 pm

pandashake wrote:
Max Gronlund wrote:Koblo 1.0 went down when the IT bobble bursted in 2001. It took us a while to get back on the feet Meanwhile I have been working with KeyToSound and Emil took a education as a "Chaos Pilot" Emil was the programmer of the filters so i should not take credit for that

Koblo 2.0 is about making a platform for how artists can Collaborate. Create. Share. and Distribute music to music lovers.

Thanks for the interest Koblo is back!
Just purchased the new synth. Haven't tried it out yet, but for $7.50(!) and the name Max Gronlund behind it I figured I couldn't go wrong.

Thank you!

botkiller · Post by **botkiller** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:39 pm

silicon/silicium wrote:The open source side sounds pretty interesting, I hope a lot of developpers will jump in.

That would be the plan, and the hope, as time goes on. Please do tell anyone you know who would be interested!

buscemi · Post by **buscemi** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:53 pm

Looks very nice. I will definitely give it a try and surely plan to demo the synth. I understand the internet bubble very well (another victim), and hopefully will get a chance to also look at the code. If you need any non-porting/coding help (I'm a systems guy - so any web/systems-related needs and I've been on the tech side of affiliate management/marketing and conferencing/telecom integration with podcasting) let me know. I like the collaboration idea, and the fact that you don't use the tired "Web 2.0" term anywhere that I can see.

botkiller · Post by **botkiller** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:38 pm

buscemi wrote:Looks very nice. I will definitely give it a try and surely plan to demo the synth. I understand the internet bubble very well (another victim), and hopefully will get a chance to also look at the code. If you need any non-porting/coding help (I'm a systems guy - so any web/systems-related needs and I've been on the tech side of affiliate management/marketing and conferencing/telecom integration with podcasting) let me know. I like the collaboration idea, and the fact that you don't use the tired "Web 2.0" term anywhere that I can see.

Thanks! People are liking the Centaurus so far, and we're working hard on the Koblo Studio. Lots of work to be done, but the support helps to keep us going.

Thanks for the offer of help, it means a lot. As our collaboration system goes up on the web, you could get called on

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:03 pm

My shit might one day turn into a bag of diamonds but I'm not going to wait around for that either.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:18 pm

Not sure what the intent is with Koblo studio on the Mac, but I DLd and really couldn't get this to do anything at all? Nothing worked, no import, no instruments... What exactly are you trying to do with this, releasing it at this point? I would at least wait until the app is usable... Maybe I missed something, but there aren't any menus either so I'm curious... Why??? How are you going to generate any excitement, with something as non-functional as this? I gotta say, Koblo was a wonderful product, beautiful design and WAY ahead of it's time... Using the name on this, is well... Sad!

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:53 pm

DHR53 wrote:Not sure what the intent is with Koblo studio on the Mac, but I DLd and really couldn't get this to do anything at all? Nothing worked, no import, no instruments... What exactly are you trying to do with this, releasing it at this point? I would at least wait until the app is usable... Maybe I missed something, but there aren't any menus either so I'm curious... Why??? How are you going to generate any excitement, with something as non-functional as this? I gotta say, Koblo was a wonderful product, beautiful design and WAY ahead of it's time... Using the name on this, is well... Sad!

Well, apparently it looks bit like protools and you can import 24bit mono wave files. Only a few years a go that made Reaper users make fun of people who pay for their hosts

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:10 pm

I question the decision to use the name Koblo for this at all? If anything, it's reminded me how far ahead of it's time the Koblo synths were, and what a great interface they had. With all the 3D modeled UIs and hardware look synths these days... Koblo was unique and very well designed... Sounded good too! Uh, this seems like another attempt to sell the net-collaboration thing they've been pushing. Has that been successful? I don''t own any of their stuff, but I have wondered how that concept went over?

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:25 pm

koolkeys wrote:It looks like the dev is inspired by ProTools judging by the interface.

hopefully it's not turning that way, it would be over before it starts ...

better be influenced by logic ...
however, i will stick an eye onto it ...

botkiller · Post by **botkiller** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:48 pm

Quite valid statements, all of them, save maybe for "waiting for your shit to turn to diamonds" - actually, coal does that. Shit will just dry up

As stated on the site, the software is alpha. The purpose, as you are wondering, of putting it out in it's "non working state" is the same as a company offering a beta test... let's say firefox - they offered up FF3 for a long time, in nightly builds - but they were careful to tell you that it did not work in all ways, and that you shouldnt' expect it to, until it was done.
The point is to show you what is there, and, because it's open source, to also involve musicians in what they want to see built into it - which is happening on the Koblo forums. The point is to put it in your hands and say, "this is what it does now - here is some of what it will do... and what else do you want to see it do?"

Well, that's the same thing happening here. The software is up, and being rebuilt nightly, to show you what is going on. It's quite clear from the download page that it's in Alpha - which is obviously before Beta - and therefore, it's close to a debug version. I'm sorry if you don't like that - but the purpose here is not to derail anyone. You can download it, and see what it can do - or you can wait until the fully stable version is out. That's your decision.

As to what it's inspired by - most everything is inspired by something, plain and simple. Inspiration begets innovation.

As to your question about why to use the Koblo name, DHR53 - Why? Because Koblo has a long history in the software synthesizer market world, as you said yourself. Because it is an energy that the founders can continue to be behind. Because what Koblo built many years ago is still remembered and used by many musicians. Because what they built was good. That sound you're referring to is still there - try the Centaurus, or watch for the future mini-synthesizers as they come along.

Yes, there is online collaboration coming in here, and yes, it builds on some of the core ideas laid down by Keytosound products - and yes, much of that did go over well, actually. The idea here is more broad. Online collaboration thru the Koblo Studio, to allow you to make a song and give it to your collaborators without having to pass huge amounts of files back and forth, and without the worry of one not working on mac that worked on PC, etc. etc.

This may seem like a done and done plan - it's not. The bulk of most online collaboration sites are toys, for the most part, or they take a different approach. Not a bad one, just different. Google made a better search engine, even though there were already others out there. You can always grow an idea further.

I, for one, look forward to the online collaboration. Why? Because I get tired of having to bounce every track down to audio to send a session to a friend, only to find that something goes wrong. I want it to be faster. I want to be able to get work done. That's the point here, amongst others.

So, I understand your consternation at the whole "waiting" thing... well, as I say, you are free to do as you like. The software is constantly being worked on, and the plan is to give that tool to musicians for free, and to make it powerful, and open source, so that anyone may modify it to fit their needs, if they have the ability to do so. And, might I add, the scope here is broad - given that there are not many free DAWs that support Mac, PC AND Linux, and are open source. Thankfully, there are good ones like EnergyXT and some others.

No one is saying you have to replace Logic with Koblo Studio. No one is saying you have to replace anything. What is being said is that you are going to be offered a new tool for making music. How you use it is up to you, and I hope that you feel the wait is worth it, as the time goes on.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:15 pm

I really couldn't get it to do anything... So as I said, all I did was think about how cool the old Koblo synths were. Probably not what you guys intended... I guess there's no way resurrect the original synths, interface and all? THAT would be something to get excited about! ...anyway, good luck with it. I'm curious what the reaction would have been to Centaurus with a Koblo style interface??? Maybe I'm the only one who loved the designs!

botkiller · Post by **botkiller** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:21 pm

DHR53 wrote:I really couldn't get it to do anything... So as I said, all I did was think about how cool the old Koblo synths were. Probably not what you guys intended... I guess there's no way resurrect the original synths, interface and all? THAT would be something to get excited about! ...anyway, good luck with it. I'm curious what the reaction would have been to Centaurus with a Koblo style interface??? Maybe I'm the only one who loved the designs!

We all loved the old designs, too, but some things have to change.

You might be surprised, though, as to what you'll see come out of the old Koblo style. Very surprised, indeed

And no, the intention wasn't actually to make you think about the old synths - the intention was what I stated above - but if it makes you nostalgic, as I say, good things to come.

botkiller · Post by **botkiller** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:52 pm

I have uploaded a new release of the Koblo Studio for OS X today, which introduces many new features:

Build 0.1 a2244, August 28, 2008

This release is still alpha. The point of it is to show you what we're working on, so please don't bang on me for it not having "complete" features yet. Feel free to offer input and thoughts on the interface/etc., but I assure you, I know of the many things it's missing, and the many things you want in it, etc. You can still voice them, just please don't tell me that it "looks like crap" or anything like that, I really can't use that for anything.

The following has been implemented:

- Playhead may now be dragged to select playback point.
- Import of mp3 and ogg vorbis files is established, as well as import of both 16 and 24 bit .wav files.
- Plug-ins have been refined.
- Transport is expanded.
- Tools are refined.
- Keyboard shortcuts are implemented (see manual entry).

Please note that there is no VST/AU or MIDI support, yet. That will come in a future implementation.

We're getting close to a beta release! Enjoy.

Download it here:

http://www.koblo.com/studio

fceramic · Post by **fceramic** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:30 pm

Hi,

My soundcard (0202) does not work, can't figure out where to set my midi interfaces and vsts. Why are there no menus?

skipkent · Post by **skipkent** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:34 pm

In looking over the screenshots, I'm thinking the Koblo folks might want to take a look at Ardour. Ardour has a subtle but effective twist on the traditional horizontal row of faders paradigm, in which the actual fader mechanism is overlayed on top of the fader meter indicator. This allows for a very slim, sleek design and is very comfortable to use. The Koblo faders look like they're each taking up more space than is really neccessary, but that's just a quick impression based on the screenshot.

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