KVR Audio

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:03 pm

shamann wrote:
eduardo_b wrote:I wonder if there's a technical reason why the code couldn't be used in a VST format -- really surprised no one has done something like this.
I'd guess it has something to buffer size and resource allocation. The Stretcher in Glitch works a little weird in comparison to a normal stretcher, it stretches what's in its buffer but resets its buffer frequently due to the tempo-based nature of the effect.

Okay, that explains what's happening in Glitch. I seem to remember a granualizer thread a couple of years ago...I think.

vespers75 · Post by **vespers75** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:15 pm

Indeed there are a few granulizers around, and some granular synths in the database as well.

Gersic's Atomic Cloud is cool, but again its a stand-alone app and not a VST.

Hmm, you want to do some stuff with stretching, eh eduardo? You wouldn't perhaps be trying to do some ambient or experimental music, would you?

Optomadic · Post by **Optomadic** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:30 pm

What about Melodyne plugin?

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:37 pm

vespers75 wrote:Indeed there are a few granulizers around, and some granular synths in the database as well.

Gersic's Atomic Cloud is cool, but again its a stand-alone app and not a VST.

Hmm, you want to do some stuff with stretching, eh eduardo? You wouldn't perhaps be trying to do some ambient or experimental music, would you?

No, but perhaps some sound sculpting as ambient though.

Was doing some stuff in this realm a few years ago but wasn't getting any where, so I thought a break was in order.

I suppse standalone is not an issue if the source is a wav file. The VST idea was for use with VSTi input.

Any granular links my good man?

vespers75 · Post by **vespers75** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:55 pm

eduardo_b wrote:
vespers75 wrote:Indeed there are a few granulizers around, and some granular synths in the database as well.

Gersic's Atomic Cloud is cool, but again its a stand-alone app and not a VST.

Hmm, you want to do some stuff with stretching, eh eduardo? You wouldn't perhaps be trying to do some ambient or experimental music, would you?
No, but perhaps some sound sculpting as ambient though.

Was doing some stuff in this realm a few years ago but wasn't getting any where, so I thought a break was in order.

I suppse standalone is not an issue if the source is a wav file. The VST idea was for use with VSTi input.

Any granular links my good man?

http://atomiccloud.gersic.com/ Here's the Atomic Cloud app I mentioned...one of the better sounding ones outside of Reaktor, IMO.

http://koen.smartelectronix.com/KTGranulator/ Here's the one by Smartelectonix, and is a VST.

http://www.gvst.co.uk/ggrain.htm GGrain VST

http://www.martin-brinkmann.de/plugs.html Particle Cloud VST

http://jcproductionz.com/vst.php Sonix VST

http://spyro.mediashift.net/klanglabs/ Granola VST

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:07 pm

vespers75 wrote:
eduardo_b wrote:
vespers75 wrote:Indeed there are a few granulizers around, and some granular synths in the database as well.

Gersic's Atomic Cloud is cool, but again its a stand-alone app and not a VST.

Hmm, you want to do some stuff with stretching, eh eduardo? You wouldn't perhaps be trying to do some ambient or experimental music, would you?
No, but perhaps some sound sculpting as ambient though.

Was doing some stuff in this realm a few years ago but wasn't getting any where, so I thought a break was in order.

I suppse standalone is not an issue if the source is a wav file. The VST idea was for use with VSTi input.

Any granular links my good man?
http://atomiccloud.gersic.com/ Here's the Atomic Cloud app I mentioned...one of the better sounding ones outside of Reaktor, IMO.

http://koen.smartelectronix.com/KTGranulator/ Here's the one by Smartelectonix, and is a VST.

http://www.gvst.co.uk/ggrain.htm GGrain VST

http://www.martin-brinkmann.de/plugs.html Particle Cloud VST

http://jcproductionz.com/vst.php Sonix VST

http://spyro.mediashift.net/klanglabs/ Granola VST

Wow, cool. Danke.

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:09 pm

it's a frickin' love fest ...

vespers75 · Post by **vespers75** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:10 pm

normal wrote:it's a frickin' love fest ...

Optomadic · Post by **Optomadic** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:54 pm

Also another good free oldy but goody is Spectral Monkeyage

http://www.ochremusic.com/specMonkey.zip (mono)
http://www.ochremusic.com/specMonkyageSt.zip (stereo)

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:08 pm

Optomadic wrote:Also another good free oldy but goody is Spectral Monkeyage

http://www.ochremusic.com/specMonkey.zip (mono)
http://www.ochremusic.com/specMonkyageSt.zip (stereo)

Thanks. DLing now. There are lots of differences among all of these, and not many are good at time stretching in the way that Paul's is. Have no idea how much actual stretching Melodyne does. I'm tempted to install and find out, but I suspect it's really not meant for the moderate or more extreme stretching I'm playing with. Also, some of these plugs are really about noise more than stretching.

Optomadic · Post by **Optomadic** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:11 pm

I'm sorry those 2 spectral monkeage plugins are more along the lines of buffer freezing rather than time stretching. They will take a snapshot of an instance in time and then just repeat that instance with overlapping. My bad..

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:24 pm

Optomadic wrote:I'm sorry those 2 spectral monkeage plugins are more along the lines of buffer freezing rather than time stretching. They will take a snapshot of an instance in time and then just repeat that instance with overlapping. My bad..

No, really, not a problem at all. Just observing that despite their shared granular design base, they differ markedly and aren't interchangeable. Which is good -- more choice.

dover666 · Post by **dover666** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:24 pm

granulab is a standalone but it has live in and out??

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:27 pm

I built a grainular delay in Reaktor specifically for live time stretching (now only if I could get it to do live time compression

). It has up to a three minute buffer and can stretch incoming audio up to 32x. Grain size, stretch amount, traversal speed, grain density, pitch, feedback, direction, etc are all modulation destinations so when you feed vocals or whatever to it you can get very smooth stretches that morph into very odd time distortions. It's a lot of fun to play with using a live vocal or guitar, especially when you invite the envelope follower to play.

Once I finished fine tuning the knob ranges and get some nasty bugs worked out I'll re-release it.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:20 pm

vespers75 wrote: http://www.martin-brinkmann.de/plugs.html Particle Cloud VST

This one is your best bet in terms of granular effects. You can just automate the read position over time at the rate you want playback. Careful though, it can get crashy.

VST like Paul's Stretch