looking for a "cheat sheet" that lists drum programming for different genres?

[robogone]

Might just be me, but I find no enjoyment in doing what has been done before

seriously, name me something you've done that hasnt been done before. (or do you just do stuff that has been done before, and never enjoy doing it?)

c'mon, the bloke wants to learn some basic patterns, wheres the harm?

I've got no problem with that, I'm just saying that it's worth branching out a bit and seeing what you can do other than copying existing stuff.

Granted, it's a good way to learn if you break down what someone else has done, but I was more thinking that I wouldn't write anything myself by doing that.

[aquar]

Really? Because I state that I don't like doing what has been done before? I think you need to buy a dictionary and look up the word 'pretentious'.

To me this is all very clear in that you are trying unsuccessfully to
imply that learning basic rhythm patterns somehow makes you unoriginal.
That is the essence of what you said and imo its a crock of pretentious bollox.

Still its just my opinion nothing more nothing less.

[jancivil]

while the desire for having a template as a generic starter is understandable, I think a better approach might be to absorb a tendency (this/that 'beat') by practice rather than always having the 'cheat sheet', I honestly think it could be really limiting to have such a crutch always available, as if there are lines you don't paint outside of or you've broken The Law.

Things such as a clave beat, do have some sort of restrictions as to placement, to *be* a clave beat; but I think one can get calcified by having a "charted" sort of approach pretty quick.

OTOH:
If the desire is to conform to genre per se, I don't know what to say to that.

[dark_virus]

I don't have any problem in being unoriginal. In truth, I love when I sound like my favourite artists.

Maybe I'm wrong, but what the hell? Important is to have fun.

[robogone]

Really? Because I state that I don't like doing what has been done before? I think you need to buy a dictionary and look up the word 'pretentious'.

To me this is all very clear in that you are trying unsuccessfully to
imply that learning basic rhythm patterns somehow makes you unoriginal.
That is the essence of what you said and imo its a crock of pretentious bollox.

Still its just my opinion nothing more nothing less.

You really need to read posts much more closely. There's nowhere that I stated that learning basic rhythms makes anyone unoriginal.

Do I need to use shorter words and speak more slowly?

[Hewitt Huntwork]

Is there a wrong way to learn? The OP has made a legitimate request.

Not exactly what you requested, but interesting for any programmer that would like to see how someone else does it:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchiv ... 00225.html
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb98/a ... rythm.html

[robogone]

Is there a wrong way to learn?

I think there's both a yes and no answer to that. It's definitely good to just get things off the ground and to start making music, but it's worth trying to refine your knowledge and skills as time goes on and that's maybe when right and wrong come into play.

On the other hand, bad technique from learning the 'wrong' way can often create very happy accidents that make music very unique.

Very few people are lucky enough to be able to create great music off the bat, so in one way or another it all takes time and practice.

[aquar]

You really need to read posts much more closely. There's nowhere that I stated that learning basic rhythms makes anyone unoriginal.

Do I need to use shorter words and speak more slowly?

Not really.
I am done with you.
You offered no hope or help to a guy that just wanted a few pointers.
All I've done is call you into question because I happen to think you are wrong. A bad machine so to speak.

[robogone]

You offered no hope or help to a guy that just wanted a few pointers.

Exaggeration seems to be your forte.

[robogone]

@normalson: I hope you don't think that I am in any way trying to shoot you down as someone has suggested. Learn by whatever means works for you, but IMO I think it's worth moving beyond the basic patterns that you might find commonly associated with various genres.

Sure, that does take time, but it's worth trying to experiment and go beyond the standard way of doing things.

Didn't intend to imply that the suggested approaches were not good, just that they should be a start point rather than a be all end all.

[BERFAB]

Like it or not, there are already established beat genres. When I think I'd like to shake up a break with a latin flavor, I can picture in my head what I'm going for, and usually can grab a MIDI file, or loop, or create my own that gets close to it. From there, I may tweak it, or maybe not.

The point is that we all use this shorthand for how we visualize certain styles. Not everyone works this way, or cares to, but all these genres do have labels, regardless. I think the OP is taking a very sensible approach in trying to familiarize himself with the techniques to get these various flavors.

-B

[normalson]

The point is that we all use this shorthand for how we visualize certain styles. Not everyone works this way, or cares to, but all these genres do have labels, regardless. I think the OP is taking a very sensible approach in trying to familiarize himself with the techniques to get these various flavors.

-B

thanks, that's my goal yes. perhaps using the term cheat sheet is causing some of the offense. I'm not looking into cheating my way into this genre or that genre.

Hewitt Huntwork, thanks for the links.

robojam, i don't believe at all that you are trying to shoot me down. i believe you have good intentions and don't want an aspiring artist to get too locked down in what he thinks the rules are. rules are meant to be broken.

I do think in order to break rules you must know what the rules are. that's where i need help. simple obvious rules to someone with more experience then me.

this has been a very rewarding thread for me, thanks everyone, this is a great forum here.

[jancivil]

My idea is that instead of a visual template or chart, to internalize these tendencies by doing it by hand, is going to inform your music in a way that some mechanized way of approach might not. That is to say, someone who has played a beat is going to be able to program it with authority versus someone who has just connected the dots on a graphic.

[Ogg Vorbis]

I sometimes use this template or scratch file for reference on my music.
Hope it helps.

Breakbeat - Porchz da-da PLODGZED, da-da Porchz-Porchz-PLAGZE!...

Dance-punk - Dah-bu SCHPANK! Dah-bu SCHPANK! Dah-bu SCHPANK!...

Disco - Thump(ssk!),Thump(ssk!),Thump(ssk!),Thump(ssk!),...

Drum and bass - Boomp PING! Poomp-Poomp PING!...

Downtempo - Slickajamma POOSH? Slickajamma POOSH?...

Electronic body music (EBM) - BOIMP! BOIMP! Shclickasabba BOIMP!...

Electro - Doosh!, Doosh!, Doosh!, Doo-Dum, Doosh...

Eurodance - Le Pienque, Le Pienque, Le Pienque...

Freestyle - Ooga-wanga, CHOW-CHOW! Blagga-wagga SMOCK!...

Hardcore - Boom-Boom KILL! Boom-Boom f**k!...

Hardstyle - SCRRREEEEAAAANK-A, SCHREEEANNNA-A...

Hi-NRG - b.tup.b.tup.b.tup.b.tup.b.tup.b.tup.b.tup....

House - Poocha-KATCH-a poo-Poocha KATCH!...

Intelligent dance music - Hmmm....BLEEP! Hmmm... BEEP!...

Speedcore - SpattaPASH!, SpattaPASH!, SpattaPASH!...

Techno - Ooom, Rooomp...Ooom, Roomp...

Trance - Zzzzzip?..Zzzzzip?..Zzzzip?...

UK garage - Right...Hand me that wrench, then.

[vurt]

You offered no hope or help to a guy that just wanted a few pointers.

Exaggeration seems to be your forte.

"forte"?
you pretentious git.