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MelodyMan · Post by **MelodyMan** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:30 am

yellowfever wrote:
rodgetkfp wrote:So, the main question is: How could we get a great mix, if we wouldn't have equalisation...
Come on guys; isn't it obvious? Just choose the right sounds in the first place. I bet you can make a good sounding track without EQ. There's a lot to be said for panning as well.

I use very little eq in my mixes, almost only at the mastering stage (HarBal and Nebula's Doc Fear for sweetness). It's all down to arrangement and, indeed, choosing the right sounds. Spend time beforehand getting "that sound" and you won't have to equalize much in the end.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:33 am

What would we do without EQ..?

Turn the volume down.

Oh man! I gotta get me one of these treble knobs.

.Parsec.audio.tron. · Post by **.Parsec.audio.tron.** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:23 pm

hipass lopass bandpass filters.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:47 pm

I had the experience to publish a self-produced CD in where they wheren't any mixing table

There was just a combination of 8 stereo outpouts of different multitimbral sound modules and the computer ( i had a powermac 7600/132 with a G3 233 processor upgrade ) into a MOTU 7s midi mixer

So i could just use hi/low correction (a bit as a in submix tracks) on each module's outpouts and i had to compensate the lack of of insert effets and eQ correction by tweaking the internal presets of each instrument as well as the main effets chains of each module that where , of course, of different models
(Korg M1, Yamaha, VL70-m, TG-77 and TG-500, EMU Proteus XL, Roland R8-M and U220, +Mac outpouts )

I let you imagine the work it could have been, everything needed to be done inside each presets...

If you're curious, just have a listen here of two songs (on headphones, i strongly suggest) :

www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/As.mp3

www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/misc/Here_are_the_ways.mp3

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:53 pm

MelodyMan wrote:It's all down to arrangement and, indeed, choosing the right sounds. Spend time beforehand getting "that sound" and you won't have to equalize much in the end.

Word

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:32 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
MelodyMan wrote:It's all down to arrangement and, indeed, choosing the right sounds. Spend time beforehand getting "that sound" and you won't have to equalize much in the end.
Word

but here's the thing, wouldn't those parts have had to been eq'ed at some point before they got to that arrangement being put down?

.Parsec.audio.tron. · Post by **.Parsec.audio.tron.** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:18 pm

yeah i dunno honestly logic's channel eq is the most used effect in my entire life.

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:21 pm

hibidy wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
MelodyMan wrote:It's all down to arrangement and, indeed, choosing the right sounds. Spend time beforehand getting "that sound" and you won't have to equalize much in the end.
Word
but here's the thing, wouldn't those parts have had to been eq'ed at some point before they got to that arrangement being put down?

The tone control on orchestral instruments is in the wetware.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:37 pm

james0tucson wrote:
hibidy wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
MelodyMan wrote:It's all down to arrangement and, indeed, choosing the right sounds. Spend time beforehand getting "that sound" and you won't have to equalize much in the end.
Word
but here's the thing, wouldn't those parts have had to been eq'ed at some point before they got to that arrangement being put down?
The tone control on orchestral instruments is in the wetware.

wetware ?

- what a subttle (but a bit obscure) metaphor, ...i'm not really shure to get it !

anyway, choosing the right sound, or sculpting it in the edit program of your synth in a possibility IMO, though i may admit that many of you would find it as a lame solution...

oddbod · Post by **oddbod** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:52 pm

get on with it

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:05 pm

It's going to be difficult to record anything without eq of some form somewhere in chain from performance to recording.

So what would we do without eq? More feedback, less clarity, an inability to do "computer music" mostly, and in general lack of options.

You could do it, but after we've been subjected to the benefits of eq, it's gonna be difficult to get desired results.

Anyone feeling different, I suggest you eliminate all eq from your music making and post your results. Amplifiers would have to have no form of tone knobs, you'll need to be pretty knowledgeable about mics and room acoustics to get acceptable results. If you are using pedals, they have to have no tone controls, guitars/bass/etc would need to make sure that the tone controls are bypassed. No "bright" or "hi-pass" settings could be used, though you could use different instrument cables as they do invoke different tones.

I'd be interested to hear songs done in this matter.

Kmeister · Post by **Kmeister** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:03 pm

For me the EQ becomes something that gets turned to the further away from traditional musical arrangements and more into sound experiment/electronic music I go.There are some instruments I feel no need to and some 'instruments' that I do.

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:52 pm

It took me a couple of faceplants before i figured out that i needed to properly program the filters of my synths before EQ-ing. Proper filter programming of your synths is half the battle won.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:23 pm

What would we do without EQ? Watch Roger Nichols lose weight.

Coming soon the new SplattyBumIzer.

ultrasound · Post by **ultrasound** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:53 pm

Weirdly, I rarely use eq, unless it's absolutely necessary. I had it drummed into me when I was studying my sound engineering.