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robojam wrote:
generalstargazer wrote:
robojam wrote:
generalstargazer wrote:
mr wrote:How many strings a guitar can have?
sorry most people here play the keyboard/piano
I think many people here also play the guitar.
many probably do but at KVR probably less than piano/keyboard
I'm sure it's less, but I still don't see what that has to do with someone asking a question about how many strings a guitar can have?
:shrug: Makes no sense to me.

The most I've seen was eight on a fretboard (independently playable that is - not like the doubled-strings of a 12-string).

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Gamma-UT wrote:
robojam wrote:
generalstargazer wrote:
robojam wrote:
generalstargazer wrote:
mr wrote:How many strings a guitar can have?
sorry most people here play the keyboard/piano
I think many people here also play the guitar.
many probably do but at KVR probably less than piano/keyboard
I'm sure it's less, but I still don't see what that has to do with someone asking a question about how many strings a guitar can have?
:shrug: Makes no sense to me.

The most I've seen was eight on a fretboard (independently playable that is - not like the doubled-strings of a 12-string).
8 strings?? I know about 7 strings with the low B string. What's the 8th string?

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On a serious note, one thing I personally learnt recently (and bear in mind I have no musical theory training whatsoever, am completely self taught and can't read music), is that to form a major chord, simply add the 4th note after the root note, then the 3rd note from that. And there was me trying to work out what notes go together to form chords :oops: :hihi:

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generalstargazer wrote: 8 strings?? I know about 7 strings with the low B string. What's the 8th string?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-string_guitar

Executive summary: whatever you want it to be.

Actually, I hadn't seen this page before and noticed at the bottom a link to ten-string versions.

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leighbeynon wrote:any chord would work ? i thought you had to follow the melody line, in this case a vocal, so you can play chords that dont sit well with the vocal and sound horribly out,

im trying to get a clear idea of where to start im told the song is in f minor so i thought maybe all chords that work from the scale of fminor would suit ?

mind you doesnt this just mean that possibly the song starts and ends in f minor and plenty of different chords could be used, i guess you need to harmonise with the vocal ?
Leigh,
We have discussed the gaps in your knowledge. You should be focusing on filling them. I think remixing might be a bit beyond you right now. In any case, I will attempt to satisfy your curiosity.
First of all, I don't understand why so many people feel like they have to harmonize the melody. You can, but it's not a rule or anything like that. If all you have is an acapella vocal track, I understand, but as a keyboard player, I am more likely to follow the bass player than the vocalist or whatever instrument is playing the melody. It usually works out better. I have harmonized vocal melodies 100% in the past and all this did was piss off the vocalist because I was stepping all over her part. They usually just want a short intro to hear enough notes so they know what key to start singing in and then away they go.
For example, your song is in F minor. I don't care what the vocalist is singing. The bass player plays an F note, I play some kind of F minor chord. Fm, Fm6, Fm7, Fm9, Fm11, Fm13, etc. Who cares! If the singer can stay in the key and has good pitch, everything should work out OK. Play them all and stick with the ones you think fit that particular part in the song best. If someone else in the band complains, change it slightly.
The nice thing about minor is that there are a couple of different types of minor and you can mix and match somewhat if you are clever. There is natural minor, melodic minor, and harmonic minor. Some people would also include the minor modes, such as Dorian.
This is what I think you should do, and it's along the lines of what your piano teacher is having you do. Write out all the notes of F natural minor: F G Ab Bb C D Eb F. Now write out the triad harmonies that occur on each note of the scale: Fm (i), Gdim (iio), Ab (III), Bbm (iv), Cm (v), Db (VI), Eb (VII). Now, write out all the 4 note chords that occur on each note of the scale: Fm7 (i7), Gm7b5 (iim7b5), Abmaj7 (IIImaj7), Bbm7 (ivm7), Cm7 (vm7), Dbmaj7 (IVmaj7), Eb7 (VII7). Do the same thing for melodic minor and harmonic minor. You will answer your own question this way. You will also end up running into a lot of the unfamiliar harmonies I have been trying to show you in previous discussions. Have fun!

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psenior wrote: For example, your song is in F minor. I don't care what the vocalist is singing. The bass player plays an F note, I play some kind of F minor chord. Fm, Fm6, Fm7, Fm9, Fm11, Fm13, etc. Who cares! If the singer can stay in the key and has good pitch, everything should work out OK.
I just want to point out that this trick only works if you have a bass player who cares what the vocalist is singing (and always plays chord roots)! The vocalist can have the best pitch in the world and it won't help if you are playing the wrong harmony.

But the original question is also flawed. The melody could for example contain some modulation. There is no chord in the world which is off limits in F minor, but you must find the ones which combine with the melody to create a nice harmony. I think a big part of the thing is understanding which melody notes are passing tones and which ones are important to the harmony.

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psenior, your totally right about this being slightly out of my reach, but im so keen to understand the process even if i cant actally do it myself,

to me a remix im my view is getting just the acapella and starting from scratch, so new chords new bass, this is what i want to understand,

so if the vocalist stays in key through out and you can figure out what key she is in you just try to use chords that work within that key,
so shes singing in f minor with no change, i would need to look at chords build within the scale of f minor within different modes,

fantastic, its just something i want to understand, as with house music, you can hear a vocal then 3-4 remixs im always really impressed with the variation possible and different direction the song can go in.

now i will have to go back to meorising key signature and practising scales,
and improving my general theory knowlege and playing

thanks again psenior !
L P B

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Gamma-UT wrote:
generalstargazer wrote: 8 strings?? I know about 7 strings with the low B string. What's the 8th string?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-string_guitar

Executive summary: whatever you want it to be.

Actually, I hadn't seen this page before and noticed at the bottom a link to ten-string versions.
Maestro Narciso Yepes' guitar had 10 strings...not that he used them all too often, but they were there at least to add resonance to the guitar. In this video he seems to go lower than the 6th from time to time :)


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