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Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
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well it all falls apart because there are plenty of contexts where white keys or black keys 'right next to each other' sound fine

7ths and ninths near a root are awfully common -- esp when learning how to play 4 part chords with one hand
3rd and 4ths a little less common, but they show up in more modern suspensions

and what sounds out of place in one isolated context can sound perfect in a progression
I had trouble with flatted 9th when I first tried them, but in a context they really add some push toward a resolution
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Hi breakmixer

It is an excellent idea to learn theory and books/webpages are a very good way to speed this up (alternatively learning from a private teacher can be expensive but is also recommended).

The people posting above have made many excellent comments and suggestions.

The most important thing is that if a certain combination of keys sounds right to you, then it is right and you should explore this further!

Music is all about creating harmony and disharmony for sonic effect, what sounds 'not so nice' might be just what you're after for a tune (and after 24 years of playing, I am still enjoying learning to play the piano!).

Have fun!
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MOK19 wrote: If you can find a way to get a tiny keyboard in your bedroom, that may help.
+1
I think it's so much easier learning this stuff when you can immediately try it out on the keyboard. Even the cheapest Midi keyboard will do for that.
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No_Use wrote:
MOK19 wrote: If you can find a way to get a tiny keyboard in your bedroom, that may help.
+1
I think it's so much easier learning this stuff when you can immediately try it out on the keyboard. Even the cheapest Midi keyboard will do for that.
Yes I agree, I need a keyboard so I can reference whilst I'm reading in the evening - the one in the studio is a midi controller only...

How do I tell the misses :help:
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Doug1978 wrote:Hi breakmixer

It is an excellent idea to learn theory and books/webpages are a very good way to speed this up (alternatively learning from a private teacher can be expensive but is also recommended).

The people posting above have made many excellent comments and suggestions.

The most important thing is that if a certain combination of keys sounds right to you, then it is right and you should explore this further!

Music is all about creating harmony and disharmony for sonic effect, what sounds 'not so nice' might be just what you're after for a tune (and after 24 years of playing, I am still enjoying learning to play the piano!).

Have fun!
Thankyou, and everyone else, I'm off to the shops tomorrow to buy a smaller keyboard, just for learning in the lounge etc - a little mobile one...
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Great stuff!
breakmixer wrote: How do I tell the misses :help:
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breakmixer wrote:I'm off to the shops tomorrow...
Perhaps some combination of these two might help to keep harmony? :hihi:
Good luck!
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The white/black keys configuration is just a device to make human hands fit. Just count 13 white keys and imagine that you had to play octaves that way. The fact that sharps/flats happen to be black and the rest of design feqatures of the interface are just that, design decisions.

Keep this in mind: THERE ARE 12 NOTES, AND ALL ARE CREATED EQUAL (well...tempered, at least ;))
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why is there a special 'theory' book 'for computer musicians'?

Is it the same kind of special you got with a Special Olympics, I wonder...
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jancivil wrote:why is there a special 'theory' book 'for computer musicians'?

Is it the same kind of special you got with a Special Olympics, I wonder...
How very uncivil.

Really, its a marketing ploy in large part. The author attempts to present things in a modern context, to avoid seeming too 'old school,' constrained, pedantic, or behind the times. But some of it is also quite practical. The author relates info often in terms of a DAW's piano roll, sometimes uses guitar tabs, gives exercises intended for a DAW, often gives examples referencing popular electronic songs, brushes on common modern tools like arpeggiators, and keeps the books contents parsed down to a brief overview(300 pages).

It's an effective overview, and a good starting point for computer based musicians who are inexperienced with theory concepts, and harbor some skepticism or uncertainty.

You can pretend as if the knowledge is lesser, due to the way it's marketed, but in the end it it's the same knowledge. And it brings more people into the fold that another more classically oriented book might not.

So, careful with your judgment.
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jancivil wrote:why is there a special 'theory' book 'for computer musicians'?

Is it the same kind of special you got with a Special Olympics, I wonder...
Because it also shows working in the piano roll as well!

I have noticed you are very cynical, when I ask something before you said something about how I should learn the language of music with a little :roll: attitude, so now I've bought a book that has been recommended by alot of KVR users, you again :roll: your eyes,

What type of music do you make 'Cynical Rock', 'Cynical Jazz' :roll:

See I too can be like you :roll:

:roll:

and again :roll:

I rest my case...I'm trying to learn, is that a bad thing :roll:

in fact

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I can go on!

Jan(un)civil is in the house! :cry:
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Jancivil, if you are not goint to be civil, why bother! Do you think you are something special,

Y'see, I'm a builder - I have spent most of my time working and I'm good at that, music has always been a hobby, which I'm not so good at as I am my day job by a long shot, but music has always been a part of me - I used to DJ, now I'm a little longer in the tooth I saved up for my studio and built it from nothing but an Akai S2000(during my 30's), I was too poor as a youngster to learn music, get lessons and afford equipment and now through pc based music it is affordable and currently I am out of work due to the recession so I am using my time to learn until the next job start, so I have joined KVR to learn, this is what KVR is about to share experience, help others and learn from others, if you do not feel like that - why are you here? :roll:
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Don't worry about him breakmixer - and good luck with the learning.

Personally I'd love a special theory book to supplement my some-what dubious, conventional piano-forte theory at the moment.
:)
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Doug1978 wrote:Don't worry about him breakmixer - and good luck with the learning.

Personally I'd love a special theory book to supplement my some-what dubious, conventional piano-forte theory at the moment.
:)
Thankyou! I can't stand people with them put down attitudes, the problem is we all go out and buy the stuff, the pc, soundcard, DAW, virtual instruments and want to get making music, then find out to make good music is not so easy, so we have to learn, I could go and buy a load of loop cd's but for me it's a cop out, I want to play & arrange every single sound in my music, thus realising I have to learn the theory side to be able to move on, then someone comes along like that - I wasn't that upset, just that particular person has come out with crap comments before, so I said my bit and that's it... :)
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