KVR Audio

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:04 pm

jones-y wrote:And as I said, I don't need complex synths...

Just to give a frame of reference, I'm an MPC guy... So you can toss all the conventional arguments. All I really care about is the interface: how I interact with the machine. That's it...

You first post says that you think it will do quite a bit, prepare to be dissapointed. Great controller potential though.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:09 pm

sockofgold wrote:
jones-y wrote: And if you can have great sounding synths like iSyn or nLog on the iphone, then why not on the iPad? I'm not the type that needs cutting edge CPUs because I'm not the type that needs cutting edge synths... I guess... If it makes a sound, I can make dopeness with it... But I'm very much not like the typical bunch round these parts.
Wow man, you're so full of yourself, it hurts.

I'm sorry, you must have misinterpreted me. What I'm saying is that I'm not into specs, features, how many tracks etc. I'm not downing anyone, its just that that's the prevalent thinking around here. But for me, that line of thinking causes both the quality and quantity of my musical output to drop.

So at some point I got off the bigger/faster=better bandwagon. Now, I'm all about interface. Its what works for me. So when people come up with these arguments about how X is better than Y because it has more features or it runs faster, it just reminds me of all those years I spent staring at <DAW unnamed to protect the innocent> with a blank look on my face because it was ostensibly 'better' than the hardware I ditched to buy it. Now, I got my hardware back, I got my workflow back, and I'm as happy as a pig in shit... Oh, and I found my perfect DAW along the way!

And now, with every purchase, my very first question is something along the lines of "how will I fit this into my workflow?" as opposed to "how many oscillators/filters/modulation routngs does it have?" "how many tracks/plugs can it run?" And so from that perspective, the iPad looks to be my dream synth/sampler (given the necessary audio/MIDI I/O of course). Because of the interface.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:13 pm

UltraJv wrote:
jones-y wrote:And as I said, I don't need complex synths...

Just to give a frame of reference, I'm an MPC guy... So you can toss all the conventional arguments. All I really care about is the interface: how I interact with the machine. That's it...
You first post says that you think it will do quite a bit, prepare to be dissapointed. Great controller potential though.

No my first post says I want it under my fingertips. More features less features, don't really care. Bi-timbral (iSyn) is multitimbral too... I really truly don't care. I just wanna have it under my fingertips. 64gb of samples would be very nice too, but I'm not expecting to load them all at once...

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:32 pm

WiFi-to-MIDI and/or MIDI-to-WiFi might be the solution for this one.

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:36 pm

DragonSagoth wrote:WiFi-to-MIDI and/or MIDI-to-WiFi might be the solution for this one.

How can you dare suggest a fly in the ointment and spoil the dream with reality?

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:42 pm

Don't worry Jv, I'll be sure to youtube myself having loads of fun within the year...

Carry on all, sorry to disturb. Soapbox stashed...

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:49 pm

Wifi to midi - this might do it

http://www.itouchmidi.com/

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:50 pm

jones-y wrote:Don't worry Jv, I'll be sure to youtube myself having loads of fun within the year...

Carry on all, sorry to disturb. Soapbox stashed...

Ill look forward to it. Then I will post you some of my new music which will make the controller seem pointless

visa tapani · Post by **visa tapani** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:58 pm

jones-y wrote:Just imagine having basically a multitimbral sampler/sound module with a 64gb library... At your fingertips!!!

So... what's so special about that? (Also it's funny you rave about a 64gb library when you say you don't care about specs.) Sampler's have been at my fingertips(!!!) since midi keyboards. A keyboard (with good velocity sensitivity, real mechanical movement of the keys, aftertouch, pitchbend and mod-wheel) seems like a vastly superior interface for controlling a sampler or a synth, actually. For instance, you can easily have as many voices of polyphony you like, unlike with the iPad, which I think allows only 3(?) simultaneous touch-points.

Or what kind of interface/workflow are you imagining, precisely? I think you're dreaming on unspecific terms, which will undoubtedly result in a disappointment.

As for controlling the interface of a plugin, a good old-fashioned midi controller (or a less oldfashioned one like the the Novation controllers) still seems vastly superior with its tactile knobs and faders...

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:02 am

OSCulator is another app for wireless controller connectivity via iPhone or WiiMote, but I think only for OS X at the moment.

OSCulator is a software that links your controllers to your music and video software. For example, with OSCulator, your Nintendo Wiimote or iPhone can talk to major MIDI sequencers or your favorite console emulator or even the Kyma sound design workstation.

OSCulator supports the OSC protocol which makes it able to be used with a wide variety of software and devices like SuperCollider, Processing, Max/MSP or the Lemur multitouch controller.

Peace,
Andy.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:05 am

OSC is even better

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:16 am

As far as I know, OSC is a protocol. It's needs an application to layer to do anything useful.

Peace,
Andy.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:30 am

visa tapani wrote:Or what kind of interface/workflow are you imagining, precisely? I think you're dreaming on unspecific terms, which will undoubtedly result in a disappointment.

As for controlling the interface of a plugin, a good old-fashioned midi controller (or a less oldfashioned one like the the Novation controllers) still seems vastly superior with its tactile knobs and faders...

I'm glad you at least asked the question before you passed judgement...

I want to remove the layer that mice, keyboard shortcuts, and controllers like the Remote SL (I have one by the way and I don't like it) add. I want to touch the synth/sampler I'm using. I want the control under my fingertip...

The attractiveness of the interface for me is not so much about performance or realtime control (although I would use it if it were well implemented), but for editing and sound design (again, not in relation to the complexity of the synth, but rather crafting the perfect sound for the song in my head or the situation at hand.

I still plan to rely on the pads on my MPC and the keys on my ASR to generate the performance. I just like to get to know my instruments, because at that point when I do, then there's some sort of mystical jedi thing that happens where I just all of a sudden have an awesome sound coming out of my speakers and I have no idea how or why (ok I'm exaggerating a pinch but it sounds awesome right...

). Softsynths to me just feel so disposable and I just have a hard time getting to know them and getting in tune with them. So they just kinda feel like featureboxes to me, if that makes sense... and I find myself sitting there staring at 40-50 knobs with no inspiration... twist this one turn that one. And its not for lack of effort. I really do try to learn my synths/samplers... I really do... I just want a better experience. that's all. a new way of doing something that I'm not satisfied with.

annode · Post by **annode** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:49 am

I just read the apple iPad description.
It appears it is USB connectable to PC as well as MAC through a 30 pin connector on the iPad.
At this time, it needs to be docked and that connector be connected to the docking connector. It also seems the USB is intened to operate when the iPad is externally powered.

The $500 unit will offer this arrangement as well as the more costly unit(s).
What I see happening sometime after, is a single cable which will connect to that 30 pin connector and will carry power to the iPad and provive a USB connection without the need of the dock port...or better yet just a single cable that extends you and the iPad a distance away from the dock.
The USB can interface with your home computer at this time.

One thing i'd like to do, would be to use the USB data as a way to connect a home network or screen sharing. (forget what it's called at the moment)
Just guessing, but i'm pretty sure we should be able to arrange the iPad so you can see your host's details on it and finger or pen touch the screen in order to send midi control data to your main computer which is running your host.

$500 is not bad to be able to do this.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:21 am

ford442 wrote:but, how are you going to get MIDI with no physical ports? also i don't think the pad is up to any VST ability.. it can't even do flash animation...

Bluetooth.

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2008/ ... pod-touch/

Goodbye sound module.... hello iPad