Visualizing the notes you hear.

[jancivil]

I'm very reactive to that Schumann bi'ness because it's fvcked me up; the notion that a composer is just so fvcking
grand that what ultimately is strived for is this Godlike overall vision where you hear it all developed all at once and you get the ridiculous and rarely attainable chops to transcribe it faithfully.

It's nonsense. That isn't even possible, I mean maybe there's one or two instances of a mind that awesome in all of history. It's a delusion.

You work on the thing, sometimes with the input of the band, in you know, the 20th century and modern times. Things were very different then as per 'art music', and how things were accomplished. The orch/band was a passive workstation. You didn't have a band who could contribute really, a closed system, very insular process.

NB: Schumann went completely nuts and went to off himself, and was confined to a nuthouse for the rest of his days. This kind of unbounded unachievable ambition is a big part of that.

I wouldn't listen to him for shit about what to do as an artist.

[Goose8-)]

Be careful when you start getting "visions" - this can be more a sign of needing a doctor than a result of a "creative" process.

If you really "see" colors or similar directly when notes are played you have a known special predisposition in your brain. You have to live with that and either enjoy it as a unique gift others do not have or a curse others have not to suffer from.

I won't say that it is a serious psycological condition I have, and yes, I see it as a unique gift. It really improves my memory, especially with dates and numders, since I have an association for many things. Since I have a strongly visually orientated mind, it is easier to recall "images" than raw facts.

[jancivil]

I had a glorious acid experience, a jam with advanced telepathy going on.. where I literally was seeing my rhythms as text, sentences, paragraphs... solidifying my concept and somehow making it available to the other people.

however I do not recommend this. because you can lose your reason, if you try to extend that into a way o life.

[TiUser]

Be careful when you start getting "visions" - this can be more a sign of needing a doctor than a result of a "creative" process.

If you really "see" colors or similar directly when notes are played you have a known special predisposition in your brain. You have to live with that and either enjoy it as a unique gift others do not have or a curse others have not to suffer from.

I won't say that it is a serious psycological condition I have, and yes, I see it as a unique gift. It really improves my memory, especially with dates and numders, since I have an association for many things. Since I have a strongly visually orientated mind, it is easier to recall "images" than raw facts.

I was not about psychological experiences but very real perceptions these persons have - like you see a red spot top left when one note is played and a colour burst for a cord, etc. I was not about abstract levels of imaginations.

I think a predisposition like I referred to is very rare.

Autism can be such a doubtful "gift" as well. Some of these persons can do crazy math or remember exactly each of hundreds of thousands of buildings in a city... but are unable to put their cloth on.

Sometimes I ask myself if gifted persons are really gifted as they often lack the gift of "normality".

[jancivil]

Conformity is a straightjacket and no gift.

[Goose8-)]

Autism can be such a doubtful "gift" as well. Some of these persons can do crazy math or remember exactly each of hundreds of thousands of buildings in a city... but are unable to put their cloth on.

Sometimes I ask myself if gifted persons are really gifted as they often lack the gift of "normality".

Thanks, I now understand what you meant. And I like your view on the gift of "normality". I just can't imagine not being able to normally interact with my friends and family and being accepted as "one of them".

[BASSDRIVE]

Nope, I can't do. Wish I could, but I'm working at it.

[vurt]

I just can't imagine not being able to normally interact with my friends and family and being accepted as "one of them".

its not so bad if youre friends are understanding, as for family, i know my mum, my wife and son love me, all the rest, not that important not unimportant, but ill only see em the odd christmas

(obviously if anything happened to any of them, i would do anything i could, which ti be hinest isnt much, im more your aid from afar with well wishes n shit )

but yeah its ok.

[TiUser]

Conformity is a straightjacket and no gift.

Being gifted or not has nothing to do with conformity imho. This would lead to cumbersome conclusions like classical composers can't be gifted because they conform to the rules of classical music...

I was not about rating the results of any thinking process i.e. if it's conform or not. I was about a "normal" kind of thinking ability. Some people with the different brain structures I referred to can't do so - they percieve the world just different, regardless what conclusions they come up with.

[mr]

Very very few people see the "color" of notes.

[vurt]

Very very few people see the "color" of notes.

how do we know this?
lets say everybody can, to varying degrees.
but they where born doing it, every sound ever also produces a visual cue,albeit in the brain, but to the "listener" its as if its right there in front of them.

would many people "notice" it happening, if they werent aware of synaesthesia i mean?

eg when you eat something, you dont realise that the tongue is pretty uselss at actual taste and its the olfactory system that actually makes food nice to us.

[vurt]

ps: big distorted sounds ala my bloody valentine, look like various bacteria throbbing sligthly with the distortion frequency.
quite beautiful in the darkness.

[TiUser]

Very very few people see the "color" of notes.

I think brain experts are able to find these anomalies in the brain, it's no woodoo magic - but you are right, this type of abnormal "cross" perception is definitely rare. Anyway, if you are one of these rare people you will definitely know when you have these perceptions.

[vurt]

it is not an abnormality.

[Goose8-)]

I would agree with vurt, people say it's rare but many of us just might not take note of it. Researchers have done experiments with blind people, where their blindness was as a result of something wrong in the visual cortex in their brains but whose eyes were fine.

They have shown them pictures of faces with emotions and the people reacted to the emotions but there were no reaction when they were shown something different like an animal or a house. The conclusion that they have come to is that emotions are processed in a different part of the brain and not the visual cortex.

Maybe there might be some connection between people's visual cortexes and the part of the brain that processes audio but everyone's recognition of it may not be that strong.