What about vocals and or vocoded tracks????? Is this allowed??tattiemannie wrote:Create a track using only SQ8L for all the sounds, including percussion!
Osc19 - sq8L!
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- KVRian
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
nopeOptomadic wrote:What about vocals and or vocoded tracks????? Is this allowed??tattiemannie wrote:Create a track using only SQ8L for all the sounds, including percussion!
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- KVRist
- 269 posts since 23 May, 2008 from Lake Stevens, WA, USA
Opto, olikana's right. The main gist of the competition is to, collectively, show the capabilities of the chosen synth as much as possible, hence the need to keep effects minimized. Tattie has posted some good guidelines in this area under the Rules in the original post. Here are some key excerpts:
"All Fx used must .....not be used in such a way as to transform the sounds to a degree
which makes them unrecognisable as those achievable from SQ8L."
And: "It is a generally held view that in the spirit of the comp, although we all like to create and hear well produced tracks, we should use as few Fx as we dare! ... it all adds to the challenge!"
So, just go ahead and make a "naked" track for the competition and try to relish the freedom from the baggage of all those fx encumbrances!
"All Fx used must .....not be used in such a way as to transform the sounds to a degree
which makes them unrecognisable as those achievable from SQ8L."
And: "It is a generally held view that in the spirit of the comp, although we all like to create and hear well produced tracks, we should use as few Fx as we dare! ... it all adds to the challenge!"
So, just go ahead and make a "naked" track for the competition and try to relish the freedom from the baggage of all those fx encumbrances!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3257 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
Cheers Olikana, I couldn't have said it said it any shorter 
Cheers batgab, I couldn't have explained it any better
OK, some news .... The Beatsoul has made the decision OSC20 will feature Tal Noisemaker. I tested it last night and it works here ... and a very nice synth indeed
On the subject of synth choices, Olikana brought up a point, and on having thought about it, I wonder if we need to review the synth choice rule.
I had hoped that the lower placed competitors would gain some advantage by having the opportunity to choose a synth they preferred to work with, and they may well be .... but I'm seeing a trend which over time, could end up handing a monopoly to a handful of competitors re. synth choices, or the need to skip folks who have had a go to the extent that the synth choice will become a middle of the table prize.
That may not be a bad thing, but it's not what we decided way back about the turn of the year.
One good thing that has come from the 'last place chooses' rule is that we have generally had our synth chosen in good time to keep the comps running to schedule ... and not had to delay due to synth choice discussions either dragging on, or lacking in participants ... as was sometimes the case when we worked this way.
What does everyone think?
Cheers batgab, I couldn't have explained it any better
OK, some news .... The Beatsoul has made the decision OSC20 will feature Tal Noisemaker. I tested it last night and it works here ... and a very nice synth indeed
On the subject of synth choices, Olikana brought up a point, and on having thought about it, I wonder if we need to review the synth choice rule.
I had hoped that the lower placed competitors would gain some advantage by having the opportunity to choose a synth they preferred to work with, and they may well be .... but I'm seeing a trend which over time, could end up handing a monopoly to a handful of competitors re. synth choices, or the need to skip folks who have had a go to the extent that the synth choice will become a middle of the table prize.
That may not be a bad thing, but it's not what we decided way back about the turn of the year.
One good thing that has come from the 'last place chooses' rule is that we have generally had our synth chosen in good time to keep the comps running to schedule ... and not had to delay due to synth choice discussions either dragging on, or lacking in participants ... as was sometimes the case when we worked this way.
What does everyone think?
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- KVRist
- 406 posts since 22 Nov, 2009
Tattie, is chorus not allowed? 
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Lunatic_Machinist Lunatic_Machinist https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=192752
- KVRist
- 297 posts since 2 Nov, 2008
damn, I love the presets of this one. will I be ridiculed a lot if I dare not even try tweaking the thing (in fear of ruining the wonderful sound) and stick to the presets?
might even try and get a piece together for this one. mm, delicious.
might even try and get a piece together for this one. mm, delicious.
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- KVRian
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
goodmorning....and goodmorning it is ...osc20 noisemaker yayyy super good news (thx beatsoul !)
the current rule which lets the last placed contender pick the next OSC is flawed and can be easily exploitable (as someone could just submit some crap on purpose to be able to choose the next synth).
i'd personally love for OSCs to be chosen via poll on the OSC website .
I spoke to Voyager and he would have no problem at all setting it up on the OSC website. simply when asking to vote the OSC entries we also ask to vote for the next synth to be used(with link to voyagers site).the poll will stay open only while the voting for the challenge entries takes place.
suggestions for synths to be used can either be pmed to voyager or posetd here in the various threads and will get added to the list as we go along, while the ones which get used get removed. ( used synths can only re-enter the poll after 1 year)
back on osc19 sq8l topic i'm taking part with a late 80s italo disco style tune.
...osc20 noisemaker yayyy super good news (thx beatsoul !)
thank god we had 2 common sense "crowd pleasers" choices for OSc19 and osc20....but it could have turned ugly.On the subject of synth choices, Olikana brought up a point, and on having thought about it, I wonder if we need to review the synth choice rule.
the current rule which lets the last placed contender pick the next OSC is flawed and can be easily exploitable (as someone could just submit some crap on purpose to be able to choose the next synth).
i'd personally love for OSCs to be chosen via poll on the OSC website .
I spoke to Voyager and he would have no problem at all setting it up on the OSC website. simply when asking to vote the OSC entries we also ask to vote for the next synth to be used(with link to voyagers site).the poll will stay open only while the voting for the challenge entries takes place.
suggestions for synths to be used can either be pmed to voyager or posetd here in the various threads and will get added to the list as we go along, while the ones which get used get removed. ( used synths can only re-enter the poll after 1 year)
back on osc19 sq8l topic i'm taking part with a late 80s italo disco style tune.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3257 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
Steplton, chorus is one of those 'grey area' fx in that a standing chorus ( i.e. with no modulation ) is no more than a double tracker, or a delay. But a modulated chorus effect gives character to a sound which misrepresents the synths character and capabilities.
So modulated chorus ( which most recognise as the chorus effect ) is never permitted in the OSC ... similarly flangers and phasers are always ruled out.
However, if the effect you intend to use is unmodulated, or modulated so slightly that it is no more sound transforming than the slight modulation used in a 'tape delay' effect, then I would let that go.
However, having checked out all the SQ8L presets, I am amazed anyone would feel the need to use a chorus!
So modulated chorus ( which most recognise as the chorus effect ) is never permitted in the OSC ... similarly flangers and phasers are always ruled out.
However, if the effect you intend to use is unmodulated, or modulated so slightly that it is no more sound transforming than the slight modulation used in a 'tape delay' effect, then I would let that go.
However, having checked out all the SQ8L presets, I am amazed anyone would feel the need to use a chorus!
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- KVRist
- 264 posts since 5 Jan, 2006 from Germany
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- KVRist
- 406 posts since 22 Nov, 2009
I have absolutely got confused.tattiemannie wrote:However, having checked out all the SQ8L presets, I am amazed anyone would feel the need to use a chorus!
I don't find chorus (OK, double tracker or short delay), ADSR and other necessary parametres. Especially amp env. (ADSR). My bad English very much complicates work.
But I'm still going to participate in this competition.
To spite all the enemies!
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Lunatic_Machinist Lunatic_Machinist https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=192752
- KVRist
- 297 posts since 2 Nov, 2008
if I am not mistaken, this lil' thing has 4 envelopes, look for the gray env button (the middle one) and the following three. there's your adsr, me thinks.
on an almost unrelated note, this gui is interesting, but oh that so little 2 line parameter field is getting on my nerves. not too convenient, nope, just funny looking.
on an almost unrelated note, this gui is interesting, but oh that so little 2 line parameter field is getting on my nerves. not too convenient, nope, just funny looking.
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- KVRAF
- 3922 posts since 15 Dec, 2009
Yeah good news having the new TAL Noisemaker for a coming OSC
Regarding the points made for synth selection in general, I agree it would be a good idea to have a general vote on it, especially now that we have a web page where polls can easily be put up.
Regarding the points made for synth selection in general, I agree it would be a good idea to have a general vote on it, especially now that we have a web page where polls can easily be put up.
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Mac of BIOnighT Mac of BIOnighT https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=70598 - KVRAF
- 2521 posts since 3 Jun, 2005 from Italy
Nahkranoth wrote:Are you talking about Mac?V'ger wrote:...and the 120 minute song limit might be too little for popular contests.
Unfortunately, since I still love having my stuff on CDr, I'm forced to a maximum length of 80 minutes... 
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Mac of BIOnighT Mac of BIOnighT https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=70598
- KVRAF
- 2521 posts since 3 Jun, 2005 from Italy
That's a truly great synth, but it's still full of bugs... The right channel doesn't make any sound here, not to mention the huge size that prevents anybody with an older screen from using it. It also doesn't seem to appear in some daws etc.tattiemannie wrote: OK, some news .... The Beatsoul has made the decision OSC20 will feature Tal Noisemaker. I tested it last night and it works here ... and a very nice synth indeed
Hopefully most bugs will be sorted out before the osc
