KVR Audio

blueghost · Post by **blueghost** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:14 pm

Sendy wrote:
Urs wrote:
Kriminal wrote:doesnt sound thick/fat enough to me....
To be a JP8000? Or to be a phat Supersaw?

Note that this is all about the JP8000's Supersaw...
I can upload a demo of the JP's supersaw oscillator tomorrow if you like. Way too tired to do it now, as it involves getting up from this piece of furniture

EDIT: Also, the supersaw on the SH-201 is horrible, as are all the other waveforms on that thing, and it is missing sound shaping parameters, even if there is better modulation support. So sad to see Roland go backwards from 10 years ago.

Huh? Roland's not going backwards - they're going retro nostalgic futurist.

You know how every twenty years fashion recurs Happy Days set in the fifties in the seventies, New Wave sixties-like in the eighties, That Seventies Show in the nineties.

If this synth was available in the eighties it would have out-d'd, out-dx'd, out-m'd, out-waved, out-matrix'd, out-everything'd.

Kudos to Roland three cheers!

Nielzie · Post by **Nielzie** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:21 pm

zerocrossing wrote:The only hardware supersaw I've owned was the SH-201 and I'll say that this sounds much better to me, especially in the lower notes. I'd like to see this in Zebra.

True! Same goes for the Gaia SH-01. According to this review that's because the waveforms are at least partially sample-based and therefore behave differently.

The JP8000's supersaw sounds smoother and brighter. So I think Urs is on the right path here

VSTJuNkiE · Post by **VSTJuNkiE** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:35 pm

Sendy wrote:Why not go one better and make a 'Metasaw', a saw so powerful that it turns all your intstruments, the overall waveform of your mix, and your face into a fractally-layered, infinitely regressed saw wave, ultimately causing the destruction of the fabric of space time, because of the infinitely sharp edges of the saw tearing away at it and creating singularities. (Which could perhaps create whole new baby universes where the laws of physics are dictated by saw waves, and all dimensions are folded into a saw shape).

I'd buy that for a dollar

Add "powered by Dark Matter" and I'll be next in line...

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:36 pm

Sendy wrote:Why not go one better and make a 'Metasaw', a saw so powerful that it turns all your intstruments, the overall waveform of your mix, and your face into a fractally-layered, infinitely regressed saw wave, ultimately causing the destruction of the fabric of space time, because of the infinitely sharp edges of the saw tearing away at it and creating singularities. (Which could perhaps create whole new baby universes where the laws of physics are dictated by saw waves, and all dimensions are folded into a saw shape).

I'd buy that for a dollar

Just drop some acid,same effect.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:36 pm

blueghost wrote:Huh? Roland's not going backwards - they're going retro nostalgic futurist.

You know how every twenty years fashion recurs Happy Days set in the fifties in the seventies, New Wave sixties-like in the eighties, That Seventies Show in the nineties.

If this synth was available in the eighties it would have out-d'd, out-dx'd, out-m'd, out-waved, out-matrix'd, out-everything'd.

Kudos to Roland three cheers!

We'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on that one

. By all means go retro but I felt the audio engine inside the 201 was just shoddy, the sound should have been at LEAST as nice as the JP8k if not better - technology has come a LONG way in the last 10 years - just listen to the evolution of softsynths!

That said, I'm sure people can use these new roland boards and make great music with them, and more power to them. They just don't speak to me.

keel · Post by **keel** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:42 pm

I have owned jp-8000 twice. Software will never sound good as it, never. All software synth have same problem. Lack of mid, lowmid and low end. Theres the all power comes.

Captain · Post by **Captain** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:51 pm

keel wrote:I have owned jp-8000 twice. Software will never sound good as it, never. All software synth have same problem. Lack of mid, lowmid and low end. Theres the all power comes.

But isn't JP-8000 all digital, meaning it's software too?

bwwd · Post by **bwwd** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:08 pm

Its hard to tell, play some chords not single notes.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:13 pm

Urs wrote:
Kriminal wrote:doesnt sound thick/fat enough to me....
To be a JP8000? Or to be a phat Supersaw?

Note that this is all about the JP8000's Supersaw...

both, i always imagined it to be more detuned...but im only going on the sound clips i have heard, not 'real' experience (of a jp8000)

BTW, i got your PM

Happy Frog · Post by **Happy Frog** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:15 pm

I think it sounded fantastic. In addition, I would love to see a dance orientated VST from you, using this sound.

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:21 pm

I have a JP-8000 and it sounds much thinner than your sample Urs. That is, just the single supersaw osc and no chorus, eq etc.

Check out a sample at default volume, completely unmodified: http://snd.sc/bXKgC0

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:24 pm

keel wrote:I have owned jp-8000 twice. Software will never sound good as it, never. All software synth have same problem. Lack of mid, lowmid and low end. Theres the all power comes.

Are you actually referring to the .wav I posted? Or just generally rambling?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:27 pm

V'ger wrote:I have a JP-8000 and it sounds much thinner than your sample Urs. That is, just the single supersaw osc and no chorus, eq etc.

Check out a sample at default volume, completely unmodified: http://snd.sc/bXKgC0

Yes, I have a JP8080 at the moment. Unless you say that the JP8080 sounds audible different to the JP8000, I would argue that what I posted sounds very much like a JP8000. At least 50% of it.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:29 pm

Happy Frog wrote:I think it sounded fantastic. In addition, I would love to see a dance orientated VST from you, using this sound.

Thank you. I think it sounds very much like a JP8000, and I had a lot of work to make it sound as muffled and "bodyless". If you listen carefully to the demo, the slightly brighter sound is a softsynth algorithm.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:56 pm

Hey Urs, you know AdamTrance (Adam Szabo http://www.adamszabo.com/ ) has been researching the supersaw for a little while now and he just posted a teaser of a synth he'll probably release eventually.

Not that I've done any research, but Helix makes use of randomly drifting oscillators that is unlike simple detuning of saws. There's a drift amount and drift speed, most likely created with filtered nosie generators / slewed S&H or whatever. I never simply detune saws, but maybe that's just because Helix is not a JP8000 emulator and simply requires this extra feature to sound good. Maybe JP8000 works completely differently. Adam Szabo would know the answer I'm sure.

Edit: Oh, and mono supersaw = boring!

Supersaw!