I am looking for a new DAW which can detune pianoroll notes and drawing lines makes pitchbend

[nineofkings]

No you don't. That's what "per note" means.

[CS80]

A video demo:

Thanks for posting, Bronto... that is interesting to think about

[Dionysos]

So i must duplicate the same vsti 16 times, all with the same preset.

VSTi are not supported, obviously - only plugins in the native FL Studio format (in other words, all Image-Line plugins). But for these you only need one instance of the plugin. Use different note colors to target individual notes.

[Johnny!]

This is exactly what VST3 will allow you to do
Sadly not many VSTs support it yet (Only some Steinberg VSTs afaik).

Wrong.

And Cubase 6 is the only host which supports it yet.

And wrong.

[Bronto Scorpio]

This is exactly what VST3 will allow you to do
Sadly not many VSTs support it yet (Only some Steinberg VSTs afaik).

Wrong.

And Cubase 6 is the only host which supports it yet.

And wrong.

Really?
Which other VSTs and hosts support note expression (or however it is called)? Seriously! I'd love to have some VTSs which support it

Cheers
Dennis

[osiris]

Maybe a stupid question, but why would you want to detune so many individual notes? Can't you detune oscillators? Or pitch bend maybe what your talking about. What kind of music do you do? Sounds innovative. Good luck.

[Jedinhopy]

Why would you want to detune so many individual notes?

I want to have full control when i make music.

Can't you detune oscillators?

Yes i can, but i get supersaws instead then. Which i am not after.

What kind of music do you do?

Music without genre.

[hibidy]

This is exactly what VST3 will allow you to do
Sadly not many VSTs support it yet (Only some Steinberg VSTs afaik).

Wrong.

And Cubase 6 is the only host which supports it yet.

And wrong.

Really?
Which other VSTs and hosts support note expression (or however it is called)? Seriously! I'd love to have some VTSs which support it

Cheers
Dennis

I think there is some confusion in that the "expression" part may not be tied to "vst3"

.oO....it's probably way off base but is it possible melodyne could aid in this?

[LawrenceF]

I think note expression came in VST 3.5 and Cubendo may still be the only host that supports 3.5, dunno, but IIRC the SDK hasn't been out that long yet has it?

Ok, almost a year, they released it in Feb. I don't think any hosts support it yet, not that I know of anyway.

[jancivil]

I think just 'Cubendo' can do. "VST note expression" is aka VST 3.5 I believe. Steiny I would think is being proprietary with such a thing? donno.

you won't get curvy lines in the piano roll though. If the instrument you're instructing can do pitchbend to that range, it's possible to that degree. In Cubase you define the pitch bend in the pitch bend lane., 8192 increments (14 bit) + or -, and that applies to the widest range the instrument will support.

[jancivil]

I have grown tired of 12 notes per octave. Keytracking a selection of notes and finetuning individual notes is impossible.

look into scala in an implementation that uses .tun, for alternative tunings maybe.

but in the pitch bend lane you have those 14 bits. it's pretty fine tuning it is! I do it all the time, I can be obsessive with re-tempering. In Cubase I'm in the list editor a lot, after starting in pitch bend lane.

[hibidy]

kinda on topic, this brings me to what I believe is the problem.

A bunch of old shit and half=hearted attempts with proprietary BS to boot.

Seriously, if all this SDK/vst3.x/midi/ were improved upon/taken advantage of across the board, we'd all have better product and even the less-inclined could take advantage real power and productivity.

Then again, that's how we roll

[jancivil]

yeah, universal implementation would be best. I mentioned scala and .tun. Cubase and Sonar have ways of defining tunings, but outside that implementation, which they don't use, the root is C. or you're doing some math... and it's an inadquate, inaccurate math, you're going to be rounding off. those intonations are ratios, and you're translating to cents. the more you stray from C the less accurate.

but, you know, if Steiny has the idea that licensing that VST3.5 protocol cuts too much into its appeal to sway you to their products, that's business. Maybe they will, I don't know.

[jancivil]

I think there is some confusion in that the "expression" part may not be tied to "vst3"

it isn't, it's tied to 3.5. VSL plugins use VST 3 for instance. "Note expression" either is, or is the initial implementaion of VST 3.5

[LawrenceF]

but, you know, if Steiny has the idea that licensing that VST3.5 protocol cuts too much into its appeal to sway you to their products, that's business. Maybe they will, I don't know.

Like I said earlier, it's already public, the 3.5 SDK, since Feb. IIRC, totally free to use and implement for any host or plugin developer. I think there are 2 SDK's, one for hosts and one for plugs. If someone wanted to duplicate that stuff in their own host and bundled instruments they could probably just build it in.

Unless I miss the point.

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2011/ ... will-mean/

People have been asking for note expression in S1 since it's already a VST 3 host. The problem would be finding a VST 3.5 instrument to use with it, so if they did it, it (like Cubase) would probably only work with their own instruments.

P.S. Steiny will probably benefit from hosts adopting though since Halion can be used in any host and is 3.5, can do note expression and all that.