Z3TA+2 v2.1 Bug Reports

[BDeep]

I'm with chuck death here, I never run into these issues and I do use it regularly (that is to say, it's never my first choice, but gets pulled out often enough). But, that is because I don't use there particular functions as well.
Sad to see Cakewalk not putting a solid effort in resolving these bugs. Makes me think twice before purchasing another product from them.
I do hope that they eventually release a bugfix, if you use these features, it becomes a pain to use.

[1-2-Many]

Wow! I didn't realise you were the only guy using Z3ta+2 properly...

It's actually very easy to use Z3ta+2 and never run into the bugs you mention, I never notice them myself for example:

First, I don't use the arp, all my synth lines are programmed or played. On the rare occasion I want an arpeggio, I don't use the arp in Z3ta+2, I use Cthulhu.

Second, although I use the waveshapers all the time but I have never copied and pasted from an internal wave's waveshaper to an user wave's waveshaper. Not once have I ever needed to do this!

Third, I rarely use presets so I can't say I've ever noticed the name shortening bug.

So, as you can see I use Z3ta+2 every day and never get bothered by the bugs that you suffer from. It doesn't mean I don't use the plugin properly, it just means I use it in a different way to you.

I genuinely hope you get these bugs fixed, they are obviously a real pain for you and it sucks that they haven't been sorted yet. I just think maybe you shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions about us fellow users!

Yeah - I'm a prick - You WIN! ... I was actually interested in hearing other people's experience with it - glad it's working for you. I would be curious however to know if you experience the sync to host bug, or can recreate it on your system. "Properly" was an insertion of your reader's bias, not an attitude that I intended to communicate. Sorry if it sounded that way.

Admittedly, most of the bugs on my list were discovered when trying to convert a few of the more popular preset banks to V2 (Fr4nceso's VirusMOD, MuZ3uM, and BT's ATT), which I have done and provided for Z3TA users (see below). Since all of the waveforms in the VirusMOD are external, the waveshaper bug makes it impossible to convert the bank to sound the same for those presets that use the waveshaper.

The only thing that bothers me in everyday use is the sync to host bug...which is more of an annoyance than a showstopper. So yeah, you're right, most users don't go into all the areas were I encountered issues, but I think it would matter to preset designers that these issues are addressed. I think the ARP drag bug matters to some people. The fact that presets hang, or make no sound, or sound not as intended has bothered/confused people from a few posts I've read. It reflects poorly on the synth's integrity when things don't perform as expected.

Here are the links to the converted banks:
VirusMOD for V2 - http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=346091

Ambient Trance Textures V2 - http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=345779

[LeVzi]

I didn't realise there were so many sodding bugs in it tbh, it's annoying to know that there are.

But I use it now and again, but never seem to hit the problems as you guys do.

Hopefully CW will one day sort it, I mean look how long it took to get zeta 2 in the first place.

[brok landers]

actually, when i did the new bank for zeta2, i ran over the bugs constantly, and i reported them in every detail... very sad, zeta2 could really have a bright future, once a better filter algorithm is implemented (which is what i suggested to them even before v2 was out)...
well, their way, seems all is good for cw, otherwise there would have been taken action in those regards...

[codec_spurt]

actually, when i did the new bank for zeta2, i ran over the bugs constantly, and i reported them in every detail... very sad, zeta2 could really have a bright future, once a better filter algorithm is implemented (which is what i suggested to them even before v2 was out)...
well, their way, seems all is good for cw, otherwise there would have been taken action in those regards...

brok, did you do one of the banks for zeta1 too?

Iirc it was you that posted the demo in the music cafe of a track using nothing but zeta1? I seem to have lost it. It had drums, the whole lot. It was also a really nice track. Electronica kind of work out.

If it was you, do you still have it around somewhere? I remember being very impressed.


cheers.

[brok landers]

actually, when i did the new bank for zeta2, i ran over the bugs constantly, and i reported them in every detail... very sad, zeta2 could really have a bright future, once a better filter algorithm is implemented (which is what i suggested to them even before v2 was out)...
well, their way, seems all is good for cw, otherwise there would have been taken action in those regards...

brok, did you do one of the banks for zeta1 too?

Iirc it was you that posted the demo in the music cafe of a track using nothing but zeta1? I seem to have lost it. It had drums, the whole lot. It was also a really nice track. Electronica kind of work out.

If it was you, do you still have it around somewhere? I remember being very impressed.


cheers.

yes, it's actually 2 banks i did for 1.4 and 1.5... i was under the impression that from v.1.4 on they were included on bank a and b... there's also someone who converted them to fit v.2. however, if you contact cakewalk, they should have these banks, i have them buried somewhere in my backups, but don't ask me where...

[1-2-Many]

Yes Brok, your banks were A & B in the factory bank starting at v1.4. You also did a bank for Z3TA called Ambient Trance Textures. This bank never made it into the factory set.

When Cakewalk came out with V2, your factory banks A&B were converted (by Cakewalk)and are included with V2, but your ATT bank used some arps in the upper numbering range that CW overwrote with new patterns with V2. That was the crux of the conversion I did on that bank for V2, putting all the correct ARP patterns on the presets that used the arp.

[brok landers]

Yes Brok, your banks were A & B in the factory bank starting at v1.4. You also did a bank for Z3TA called Ambient Trance Textures. This bank never made it into the factory set.

When Cakewalk came out with V2, your factory banks A&B were converted (by Cakewalk)and are included with V2, but your ATT bank used some arps in the upper numbering range that CW overwrote with new patterns with V2. That was the crux of the conversion I did on that bank for V2, putting all the correct ARP patterns on the presets that used the arp.

did i really do 3 banks for zeta 1x? i thought it was only 2 banks, of which one of them was called ambient trance textures... i seriosly don't remember anymore...

[1-2-Many]

Yes Brok, your banks were A & B in the factory bank starting at v1.4. You also did a bank for Z3TA called Ambient Trance Textures. This bank never made it into the factory set.

When Cakewalk came out with V2, your factory banks A&B were converted (by Cakewalk)and are included with V2, but your ATT bank used some arps in the upper numbering range that CW overwrote with new patterns with V2. That was the crux of the conversion I did on that bank for V2, putting all the correct ARP patterns on the presets that used the arp.

did i really do 3 banks for zeta 1x? i thought it was only 2 banks, of which one of them was called ambient trance textures... i seriosly don't remember anymore...

Yes, we've had this discussion before - last two posts at the end of this thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 5&start=15

Thanks for the Banks BTW

[chuck death]

Yeah - I'm a prick - You WIN! ... I was actually interested in hearing other people's experience with it - glad it's working for you. I would be curious however to know if you experience the sync to host bug, or can recreate it on your system. "Properly" was an insertion of your reader's bias, not an attitude that I intended to communicate. Sorry if it sounded that way.

You accuse me of reader bias but I think you may have suffered a bit from that yourself, I certainly wasn't calling you a prick nor was I trying to "win"!

I'm in work at the moment but if I remember later I'll try to recreate the bugs and let you know what happens.

[codec_spurt]

actually, when i did the new bank for zeta2, i ran over the bugs constantly, and i reported them in every detail... very sad, zeta2 could really have a bright future, once a better filter algorithm is implemented (which is what i suggested to them even before v2 was out)...
well, their way, seems all is good for cw, otherwise there would have been taken action in those regards...

brok, did you do one of the banks for zeta1 too?

Iirc it was you that posted the demo in the music cafe of a track using nothing but zeta1? I seem to have lost it. It had drums, the whole lot. It was also a really nice track. Electronica kind of work out.

If it was you, do you still have it around somewhere? I remember being very impressed.


cheers.

yes, it's actually 2 banks i did for 1.4 and 1.5... i was under the impression that from v.1.4 on they were included on bank a and b... there's also someone who converted them to fit v.2. however, if you contact cakewalk, they should have these banks, i have them buried somewhere in my backups, but don't ask me where...

Yes, I know, and lovely little presets they are too .

I have them, as yes, they were included, I was talking about the demo track you made with nothing but the zeta presets. Electronica type of thing a few minutes long. It was astonishingly good. I just wondered if it was you who put that up at the cafe and if you still have the demo song?

Unless it was someone else who visits kvr and has done presets for zeta and has put up a demo track at the cafe.



No worries. I just wanted to listen to it again. I have it on disk somewhere as I know it was so good I saved it. I also wanted to know if the demo track you made was with the general presets from zeta or whether it was all your own presets that you'd made up and you were doing a showcase for.

I did a search but I can never find anything at kvr using it.



cheers.