State of Native Instruments Komplete Series

[Brittlestem]

Every NI Synth from K7 on is fully x64 compatible so even if they discontinue a product down the line it will still work.

Unless you use Pro Tools. AAX format is going to make Kore unusable, for example.

[Brittlestem]

Development is slow because their working on things.

That's amazing, no-one here had any idea they were "working on things." Incredible.

As to your desire that NI don't give free upgrades to punish user who dare to be pissed off at slow development - good luck.

[Mikelo]

I think Komplete 9 will be interesting. I'm looking to upgrade 8 to ultimate but something tells me that 9 will include software from the ultimate collection, for instance Session Strings Pro and Alicia's Keys.
Then ultimate 9 will include some of there latest releases which are currently being sold such as Damage.

[1-2-Many]

Yeah - I also get that impression. That NI is putting up ads about them hiring new people is a bit surprising. Either the company is going extraordinary well or lots of people have quit.

/C

As I read your post I see a banner ad here from NI for hiring new brains. I also noticed recently that they're doing "pre-video" ads for their products on YouTube...seemed a little strange.

[ew]

Maschine-Maybe turns into a DAW in the future or NI team up with another company to do it?

Not likely. Maschine's main focus is live work, which isn't the traditional DAW environment. You'd need to completely redo the program from the ground up IMO.

Absynth 5- Not Sure

Absynth will always have new tricks up its sleeve; Brian Clevinger's a guy with a lot of ideas

FM 8-Not Sure

The way I could see FM8 possibly going is in the SY77/99 vein with sample oscillators as an option in the current 6op config. Will it happen? Who knows- I sure don't.

Massive-Not sure

The big change I could maybe see happening here is user wavetable support (which I'd love, personally). Will it happen? Once again- who knows...

Kontakt- Will continue to be developed

Oh yes- Kontakt's the standard for samplers nowdays. There's too many people who rely on it.

Guitar Rig- Maybe they drop guitar from it and just call it "The Rig". It will be used just as an effects rack maybe?

That's the way most people use it anyways. If they're hung up on the name, that's their problem, no?

Battery 3- The battery 3 library will get put in Kontakt 6 or the maschine library.

Battery's the one I have questions about, to be honest. Kontakt's taken a lot of Battery's gloss away with the drum libraries such as 60s drums. Maschine's big problem there would be kit size; you'd need multiple groups for most of Battery's larger kits.

The focus I'm guessing in the future will be around Maschine, Kontakt 5, Guitar Rig, and Reaktor. I think NI is trying to consolidate their products. Maybe FM 8, Absynth, and Massive sounds get put into Reaktor. BTW, do you guys think those synths are getting too old? I'm ready for new synths from them. I'm just thinking out loud.

I don't see that happening at all. While CPU use is becoming less and less an issue as time goes on, you're still looking at least a 400-500% CPU load increase doing Reaktor clones of their current line, and you'd be missing features to boot.

As to are they getting too old, have you exhausted all the sonic possibilities? Thought not...

ew

[awol9000]

Yeah - I also get that impression. That NI is putting up ads about them hiring new people is a bit surprising. Either the company is going extraordinary well or lots of people have quit.

Keir from NI has stated that Jens the old product manager for Maschine was promoted to head of product management (or something to that effect) and they're looking for a replacement.

all is good over at NI.

[ew]

Yeah - I also get that impression. That NI is putting up ads about them hiring new people is a bit surprising. Either the company is going extraordinary well or lots of people have quit.

Keir from NI has stated that Jens the old product manager for Maschine was promoted to head of product management (or something to that effect) and they're looking for a replacement.

all is good over at NI.

Indeed it is. I talked to lots of people from both Berlin and LA at the US office's 10th anniversary bash, and most of what I heard was very positive.

ew

[DrGonzo]

Yeah - I also get that impression. That NI is putting up ads about them hiring new people is a bit surprising. Either the company is going extraordinary well or lots of people have quit.

Keir from NI has stated that Jens the old product manager for Maschine was promoted to head of product management (or something to that effect) and they're looking for a replacement.

all is good over at NI.

Indeed it is. I talked to lots of people from both Berlin and LA at the US office's 10th anniversary bash, and most of what I heard was very positive.

ew

So they aren't going to pull a Kore on Maschine just yet then? That's good to hear...

[ew]

Yeah - I also get that impression. That NI is putting up ads about them hiring new people is a bit surprising. Either the company is going extraordinary well or lots of people have quit.

Keir from NI has stated that Jens the old product manager for Maschine was promoted to head of product management (or something to that effect) and they're looking for a replacement.

all is good over at NI.

Indeed it is. I talked to lots of people from both Berlin and LA at the US office's 10th anniversary bash, and most of what I heard was very positive.

ew

So they aren't going to pull a Kore on Maschine just yet then? That's good to hear...

I personally think that dropping Kore was a huge mistake on their part, no doubt about it. I'm just glad that it runs well on my W7 64 bit systems...

ew

[jsheem]

Yeah - I also get that impression. That NI is putting up ads about them hiring new people is a bit surprising. Either the company is going extraordinary well or lots of people have quit.

Keir from NI has stated that Jens the old product manager for Maschine was promoted to head of product management (or something to that effect) and they're looking for a replacement.

all is good over at NI.

Indeed it is. I talked to lots of people from both Berlin and LA at the US office's 10th anniversary bash, and most of what I heard was very positive.

ew

So they aren't going to pull a Kore on Maschine just yet then? That's good to hear...

I personally think that dropping Kore was a huge mistake on their part, no doubt about it. I'm just glad that it runs well on my W7 64 bit systems...

ew

I appreciate the help you have given NI users on here and their websites forum. But many kore users believed you when you said Kore was not going to be discontinued. We shall wait to see what they are going to do. I take your post as a decent predcition for what might happen. NI already hired a senior product manager for maschine. I see they took the ad down since last week. I don't know...

[ew]

Yeah - I also get that impression. That NI is putting up ads about them hiring new people is a bit surprising. Either the company is going extraordinary well or lots of people have quit.

Keir from NI has stated that Jens the old product manager for Maschine was promoted to head of product management (or something to that effect) and they're looking for a replacement.

all is good over at NI.

Indeed it is. I talked to lots of people from both Berlin and LA at the US office's 10th anniversary bash, and most of what I heard was very positive.

ew

So they aren't going to pull a Kore on Maschine just yet then? That's good to hear...

I personally think that dropping Kore was a huge mistake on their part, no doubt about it. I'm just glad that it runs well on my W7 64 bit systems...

ew

I appreciate the help you have given NI users on here and their websites forum. But many kore users believed you when you said Kore was not going to be discontinued. We shall wait to see what they are going to do. I take your post as a decent predcition for what might happen. NI already hired a senior product manager for maschine. I see they took the ad down since last week. I don't know...

I seriously thought that they wouldn't drop Kore; I thought that they'd make Maschine's MIDI out as a plugin be less convoluted instead.
I was wrong, and they developed plugin hosting in Maschine.

While I halfway understand their logic, there's still some glitches in the way Maschine handles incoming MIDI as far as how I work. For example, with Maschine, I like to switch patterns in various groups on the fly. But, if I'm playing a synth via MIDI that's loaded into Maschine, the synth's group will lose the incoming MIDI if I switch groups to change patterns. This isn't good for obvious reasons, ,...

ew

[loachm]

I personally think that dropping Kore was a huge mistake on their part, no doubt about it.

+1

...and I'm really annoyed that the Kore browser was also pulled from their synths. I have never seen a feature being removed from a product during a single version cycle. Just to have Maschine compatibility. I don't know why the removed the timbre category as this was the one that defined a sound the most (at least for me). Instead they left the bank category, which is kind of redundant as you could browse bank folders via the synth's file browser. What happened to "find sounds fast"? Really not happening here with Maschine. Its browser is already pretty useless for managing the NI sounds. Remember, Maschine has to handle all the sounds that Kore did plus the ones from Maschine - and all of that with an inferior browser! I got the crossgrade from Kore and I will see which way Ableton will go. It might be that I'll get rid of Maschine again.

Anyway, I'm hoping that Kore's technology will go into their other products as much as possible. I could imagine serveral scenarios in which at least its vast routing possibilities could go either into Kontakt, Guitar Rig or Maschine. Especially Kontakt and GR could improve a lot regarding parallel processing...

[ew]

Anyway, I'm hoping that Kore's technology will go into their other products as much as possible. I could imagine serveral scenarios in which at least its vast routing possibilities could go either into Kontakt, Guitar Rig or Maschine. Especially Kontakt and GR could improve a lot regarding parallel processing...

You can already do a lot of parallel chains with Guitar Rig- the split module's one of my favorite things about GR. But yeah- that was Kore's strong point IMO- the routing capabilities.

By the way, I didn't know about Kore being dropped until they made the public announcement. My GF at the time says she learned a whole bunch of new vocabulary that day...

ew

[loachm]

You can already do a lot of parallel chains with Guitar Rig- the split module's one of my favorite things about GR. But yeah- that was Kore's strong point IMO- the routing capabilities.

... so we both agree that the split module doesn't come near to what you can do with Kore. So far it seems I can do quite a good bit of splitting and routing I did in Kore also in Maschine. However the macro controls are a bit of a joke when I compare them with Kore...

[Brittlestem]

I personally think that dropping Kore was a huge mistake on their part, no doubt about it.

+1

...and I'm really annoyed that the Kore browser was also pulled from their synths. I have never seen a feature being removed from a product during a single version cycle. Just to have Maschine compatibility.

I had just about accepted NI ditching Kore when they delivered the final "f**k you," by ripping out the Kore browser from everything else of theirs I owned.
Native Instruments are bunch of c**ts as far as I'm concerned, won't be getting any more of my cash.