KVR Audio

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:16 pm

george wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:Hmmm. I'm afraid I can't try it myself as I'm still on 10.6 and it says 10.7.3 is required for this. And there's no way I'm going to upgrade this machine and break every project I have.
My advice is installing 10.7 on a external USB drive. If you don't have one maybe you should get one... for 10.8 and GateKeeper like I will

I grow weary of giving Apple money in exchange for FÜCKING ME. They should be paying us for our inconvenience of having to fix everything every year and a half.

george · Post by **george** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:22 pm

I can't find any information that says code signing is required for plugins.

Maybe a cheap alternative could be providing files zipped + readme + applescript

quikquak · Post by **quikquak** » Wed May 16, 2012 5:29 pm

They're after the broad-brush general demographic profile, the designer and professional users are being squeezed out the door, and the accountants and share holders are rolling around on a bed of money.
Have a nice day!

I've just seen a top of the range Ivy Bridge Windows PC with a 1Tb SSD drive and the fastest 670 GTX graphics card for £1000. What can Apple offer for that? It's a shame because Apple do a lot of things right, but I know what I'd rather have for a workhorse machine - the fastest and cheapest one, which is never Apple's.

Dave.

qube123 · Post by **qube123** » Wed May 16, 2012 7:56 pm

If it's easy to turn off then fine, it'll be useful for the general spods, however I can't help but think this the thin edge of the wedge to eventually make all apple software be distributed solely via the AppStore forcing all manufacturers to abandon their current methods of distribution and protection and paying the sales tax to Apple in the process, fine for a little game but hideous for a proper pro app or plug in.

Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Wed May 16, 2012 8:10 pm

george wrote:I can't find any information that says code signing is required for plugins.

http://prod.lists.apple.com/archives/co ... 00029.html

Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Wed May 16, 2012 8:12 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:I grow weary of giving Apple money in exchange for FÜCKING ME. They should be paying us for our inconvenience of having to fix everything every year and a half.

So stop developing for OSX.

george · Post by **george** » Wed May 16, 2012 8:45 pm

Borogove wrote:http://prod.lists.apple.com/archives/co ... 00029.html

I understand that GateKeeper is required for the installer, not the plug-ins.

Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Wed May 16, 2012 8:47 pm

Dear developers, which is more money:
a: 70% of what is spent by people who happily pay extra $$$ to have shit Just Work
b: 97% of what is spent by people who will go through any amount of suffering to avoid paying for things

As it happens, in the last two weeks I've bought two laptop computers: one Macbook Pro for me, and one Dell XPS for my girlfriend.

Clock cycles for dollar, the Dell is a way better buy.

In every other way, the Dell experience was hilariously awful. From using their web site to having orders repeatedly cancelled with no explanation to spending an hour on the phone going in circles trying to fix the problem, it was fractally bad, it was retarded turtles all the way down. Their phone support was unhelpful, not empowered to solve my problems, and in the end, rude. (Funniest part: out of the box, the non-optional McAfee software preinstalled on the machine is configured so that it blocks Dell's own preinstalled support software.)

In contrast, when there was a problem with the Apple order, I made a call and they resolved the issue cheerfully and politely in about five minutes.

liquidsonics · Post by **liquidsonics** » Wed May 16, 2012 9:51 pm

george wrote:
Borogove wrote:http://prod.lists.apple.com/archives/co ... 00029.html
I understand that GateKeeper is required for the installer, not the plug-ins.

Is it likely one can use the latest package maker without having to update the whole build environment to XCode 4 if all that is needed is a signed installer?

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Wed May 16, 2012 10:59 pm

Borogove wrote:retarded turtles all the way down

I am SO STEALING this phrase for future use.

Sean Costello

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Wed May 16, 2012 11:45 pm

Borogove wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:I grow weary of giving Apple money in exchange for FÜCKING ME. They should be paying us for our inconvenience of having to fix everything every year and a half.
So stop developing for OSX.

I may. I follow the market.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Wed May 16, 2012 11:49 pm

Borogove wrote:it was fractally bad, it was retarded turtles all the way down.

That's hilarious, I'm going to borrow that.

And yes, Dell. These days I'd probably get an ASUS if I was after a Windows notebook.

Or I'd get a MBP and put BootCamp on it. But OMG, the money...

george · Post by **george** » Thu May 17, 2012 7:43 am

liquidsonics wrote:Is it likely one can use the latest package maker without having to update the whole build environment to XCode 4 if all that is needed is a signed installer?

From all the info I had I can say it seems so. It could be very good news for us plug-ins developers because we won't be forced to do code migrations.

Unlesss of course you want to sign the plug-in file, which personally I don't see it a requirement. Most are serial protected and I don't think Apple will validate a 3rd party keygen, right?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu May 17, 2012 7:53 am

Dell laptop? You gotta be kidding me.

Toshiba over here. Never a SINGLE problem with anything. Would recommend it over any other laptop brand.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu May 17, 2012 8:24 am

Borogove wrote:Dear developers, which is more money:
a: 70% of what is spent by people who happily pay extra $$$ to have shit Just Work
b: 97% of what is spent by people who will go through any amount of suffering to avoid paying for things

As it happens, in the last two weeks I've bought two laptop computers: one Macbook Pro for me, and one Dell XPS for my girlfriend.

Clock cycles for dollar, the Dell is a way better buy.

In every other way, the Dell experience was hilariously awful. From using their web site to having orders repeatedly cancelled with no explanation to spending an hour on the phone going in circles trying to fix the problem, it was fractally bad, it was retarded turtles all the way down. Their phone support was unhelpful, not empowered to solve my problems, and in the end, rude. (Funniest part: out of the box, the non-optional McAfee software preinstalled on the machine is configured so that it blocks Dell's own preinstalled support software.)

In contrast, when there was a problem with the Apple order, I made a call and they resolved the issue cheerfully and politely in about five minutes.

I didn't get what happened to your girlfriends Dell, but it seems to me that you are highly biased. I bought an Asus laptop for my daughter a couple of months ago, and I never had to phone anyone, or even go to ANY website, to have anything work. Actually, it was just open it and follow the instructions.
Windows 7 is a great OS, and things are working fine.
Are you sure you didn't just screwed up the installation, and, as usually, are blaming the company and/or the OS for your fault?
Apple makes fine computers, problem is they are way overpriced, regarding comparable computers made by other companys.

Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion and Gatekeeper