KVR Audio

losan · Post by **losan** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:34 pm

Reverse Engineer wrote:
losan wrote:So as Steinberg is soooo bad, how come that I got this plugin working in
Cubase 5.5.3 ? .....
why are you asking someone how YOU did something? shouldn't you be posting an answer?

Well, I just got tired here of the bashing, but OK it's KVR after all...

Anyway...
In my case I just installed with the defaults, didn't done something special.
BUT, after currently browsing the Cubase forums, it actually really might
be an issue related to the versions, look here:

http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4&start=25

Since I also got Cubase 6.5 installed parallel, I didn't seem to be affected.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:50 pm

Some of you people would complain and moan if you were given cash for free.

'but now ill have to pay taxes on this! thanks A LOT pal!'
or
'paypal!! why cant you just paypal me the funds!!??'

it is surreal! Truly.. It boggles my mind as you want the world to wrap itself around you and it doesn't work that way.

Where did you learn that society worked this way?

If your host doesn't support VST3 either upgrade to one that does, request that it support VST3 and be patient, or let it go. Obviously Steinberg wants to push the VST3 format along. It doesn't do that by continually supporting VST2.4 forever.

Besides.. its just a loudness meter.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:54 pm

I can confirm that SLM does not(!) work in the following Cubase/Wavelab versions.

Wavelab 7.x
Cubase 5.5.2 (32bit)
Cubase 6.0.2 (32bit)

EDIT:
Retried after two reboots, still no showing of the plugin in either version.

If this is only "usable" after updates, then to hell with them. I guess this is what's actually happening here - they installed a certain routine where this plugin can only be used if you have a certain "update".

Maintenance updates, fine with me. But paid ones?

I listed several alternatives for EBU R-128 on page 1. There is no need to go haywire about Steinberg.

Steinberg shoot their own foot yet again. Maybe there is a hatemail coming up as legit, loyal customer since 1994. They didn't even answer my last one yet with FR for Wavelab. And yes, I am on the current version here and funded them more then once until the Mac base stepped in.

This has nothing to do with the VST3 "standard" if it's working like it should (which doesn't9, but for the "push" of the same, Steinberg sure does a lot to piss off a lot of programmers and users.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:23 pm

Is there something misunderstanddable with "New free plugin available for Cubase 6.5 and Nuendo (from version 5)"? And why is Steinberg a money greedy bastard now? Because they release some free stuff for chosen versions of their products? Seriously i don't understand ppl's attitude nowadays... if Cockos was making stuff like that they'd be the biggest heros ever while Steinberg is the biggest arsehole ever now.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:29 pm

VitaminD, all that moaning of yours has nothing to do with this topic. In fact, this plugin being just a stupid loudness meter makes it all even more annoying since it shows just how f**ked up Steinberg is nowadays, that they refuse to give their (loyal, yes) customers access even to such a plugin.

Just the fact that having a Cubase 6 license enables you to use it in Cubase 5 (but you didn't know that) should tell you everything you need to know: they're so f**ked up that they try to use it as something to push people to buy the v6 upgrade (which is overpriced and should have been a v5.x anyway).

You don't like my complaint about this? Too bad. I don't like your unrelated complaints and you saying that "some of us people" (who, exactly, and how do you figure?) would complain if we were given cash for free. The difference is that my and other Cubase users' complaint has merit, and there are many who are bitter about Steinberg's shitty practices. Did Steinberg do anything they're "not allowed to do"? Of course not. They can run their shitty business however they see fit. I express my frustration over it since I happen to care about what happens with a company that makes software I depend on. Again, you don't like that? Tough. At least I don't feel any need to tell you that you're basically an ungrateful cheapskate.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:33 pm

so instead of steinberg offering a plug in free to those users of the latest versions of their software.....they either should not have done it at all or done it for all versions?
How about if I am still on Nuendo 2.....should they have accommodated me as well?
rsp

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:42 pm

More like: instead of Steinerg intentionally disabling a plugin from working in a host of theirs that supports it perfectly, they should not have done that (have a v6 license? Then it magically works in v5.5.3). They have no moral obligation to support very old versions of their software, which could very well just give them headaches they don't care to deal with. They f**ked their users with the v6 update which came far too soon and had far too little to even be considered a milestone version, but that didn't stop them from charging so much for it. Nuendo 3 to Nuendo 5? The list of improvements is huge. Cubase 5 to Cubase 6? Don't make me laugh.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:47 pm

Shy wrote: You don't like my complaint about this? Too bad. I don't like your unrelated complaints and you saying that "some of us people" (who, exactly, and how do you figure?) would complain if we were given cash for free. The difference is that my and other Cubase users' complaint has merit, and there are many who are bitter about Steinberg's shitty practices. Did Steinberg do anything they're "not allowed to do"? Of course not. They can run their shitty business however they see fit.

Well why do you buy Steinberg's products then? You're free to go another way. That's the point. Just don't buy their stuff if you're not ok with that.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:49 pm

chk071 wrote:Is there something misunderstanddable with "New free plugin available for Cubase 6.5 and Nuendo (from version 5)"? And why is Steinberg a money greedy bastard now? Because they release some free stuff for chosen versions of their products?

A couple of things to note here:
a) on initial release, they said "Cubase 6 and Nuendo 5", a short while later (with complaints at their boards), it was changed to more recent versions)

b) Cubase 6 and 6.5 didn't change drastically in code - dare I even say not at all. Nuendo 5.x is even older than Cubase 6 and uses the same code - yet this plugin is working there, but not in the version I've listed.

c) The plugin is a VST3 plugin. It should work in all available Steinberg hosts that work on VST3. But it does not (see earlier post of mine). I do have the impression that Steinberg once more "locked" their available plugins to their host, like they did with the bundled stuff. Then again, a more clever move would have been "including" the plugin in the maintenance updates.

Then again, since Cubase 6.0.x won't be updated anymore, you're bummed out. Wavelab 7 doesn't get an update in the near future (according to a mail from earlier this week) and Nuendo will pretty much switch to Nuendo 6 soon as well.

There is a sad fact that Steinberg pretty much always stopped support as soon as there was a newer paid version out. It's a thing to debate with the last Cubase update, if the fee was needed and if the included features could have also been put into 6.0.6 sans the VSTi of course. But I think the big S goes the route of AVID now - each update costs, and from these fees, the programmers are paid to cause even more havoc on certain ends.

Personally I'd have checked that plugin out, compare it with what's out there already. But the fact that it's not even usable in either legit Cubase and Wavelab version I have, all with VST3 technology, is a slap in the face.

This is a prime example that VST3 is not(!) the future. It's still full of bugs, restrictive, hard to programm. I'm a beta tester, I catch a lot of things and always it's about VST3.

What Steinberg made good in the last years with Yamaha in terms of marketing, they destroy with every release they do. It's only a matter of time since they're among the last of the "innovation people" again.

For example: I asked them about two weeks ago about HD audio and Blu-Ray audio implementation in Wavelab, or streaming of DTS-HD MAS. THe answer was "there is nothing planned". Wavelab was last in the DVD-A game back in the day, it's now focusing on PODcasts (which die out as well thanks to v-blogging) and ignores newer "blogging" ideas like "Enhanced Blogging" as well.

Something is wrong with that firm. Yet I still use them - why? I'm not in the mood learning something else, and it's still usable. But they could get something right for once! And this plugin does certainly not count to it.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:58 pm

@midnight wrote:If you were so loyal you would upgrade from the old version?

I "downgraded" from Cubase 5 to Cubase Studio 5 and don't miss the extra functions at all. Keeping up with the Joneses doesn't equate to fulfilling your needs.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:00 pm

chk071 wrote:
Shy wrote: You don't like my complaint about this? Too bad. I don't like your unrelated complaints and you saying that "some of us people" (who, exactly, and how do you figure?) would complain if we were given cash for free. The difference is that my and other Cubase users' complaint has merit, and there are many who are bitter about Steinberg's shitty practices. Did Steinberg do anything they're "not allowed to do"? Of course not. They can run their shitty business however they see fit.
Well why do you buy Steinberg's products then? You're free to go another way. That's the point. Just don't buy their stuff if you're not ok with that.

Thank you for telling me that no one forces me to buy their products, but I already knew that. Don't decide for me what to buy. I'll also continue to state my opinion about their business practices if I feel like it.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:03 pm

Compyfox wrote:.......

b) Cubase 6 and 6.5 didn't change drastically in code - dare I even say not at all. Nuendo 5.x is even older than Cubase 6 and uses the same code - yet this plugin is working there, but not in the version I've listed.

how do you know that?

rsp

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:06 pm

VitaminD wrote:If your host doesn't support VST3 either upgrade to one that does, request that it support VST3 and be patient, or let it go. Obviously Steinberg wants to push the VST3 format along. It doesn't do that by continually supporting VST2.4 forever.

My DAW Cubase Studio 5 was made by Steinberg and supports VST3 but this plug in doesn't work in it. I don't really care that much but it seems Steinberg are just punishing us evildoers who haven't given them money for the latest upgrades.

guitartom · Post by **guitartom** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:09 pm

works fine in my cubase artist 6.0.7 installation in 32 an 64 bit (which is a free update to Cubase artist 6)

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:15 pm

lotus2035 wrote:
VitaminD wrote:If your host doesn't support VST3 either upgrade to one that does, request that it support VST3 and be patient, or let it go. Obviously Steinberg wants to push the VST3 format along. It doesn't do that by continually supporting VST2.4 forever.
My DAW Cubase Studio 5 was made by Steinberg and supports VST3 but this plug in doesn't work in it. I don't really care that much but it seems Steinberg are just punishing us evildoers who haven't given them money for the latest upgrades.

or maybe they are rewarding those that do upgrade to the latest version?
what is wrong with that?
rsp

The 'free' Steinberg SLM 128 Loudness meter