Do you still use a 32-Bit OS/DAW?

[Amon1973]

I expect a new "tide" of posts like that after the bloody W8 is out... which is just a toy in my humble opinion.

Gosh. We tested W8 at work - no serious professional will jump on it... it is not a toy, it is a JOKE
Still, Win7 has worked flawlessly for over two years now.

[DuX]

♥ your plugins Mr. Robin from www.rs-met.com Especially your simplistic, concise GUIs, font [reminds me of Atari 1040!] and the colour-theme changer! Beautiful! :)I would jump on the opportunity to give you big thank you for your incredible work. I wish more developers used such a nice, flexible, efficient, fast GUI framework [engine?] as you do. I suppose it's completely your work? It looks and works great! I always admire great programmers, and those are also in limited supply these days... That's terrible.

Thank you, Robin!

[DuX]

We tested W8 at work - no serious professional will jump on it... it is not a toy, it is a JOKE

indeed. I actually do know and understand what's going on there in Redmond, and it's got nothing to do with us, or any professionals using Windows. The last Windows for people who want to do some professional work with it seems to be W7 and that's it, and as I said: if it works - let it work! Yeah.

My plan is to keep this PC with everything on it as it is, for as long as everything works, and simultaneously use the other PC more and more that has Ubuntu Studio on it for A/V work. I kinda guess it's going to be Linux and Mac OS-X for professionals in the future. 64-bit, of course. Future Windows will be for kids who play with their mobiles and pads, IMHO. They don't care about the desktops so much any more and are making lives of the developers even more miserable because of too much greed. It's not going to end up well for Redmond in the end, I think, but I'm the last pone who should cry about it... I really, really never liked anything Microsoft made except Age Of Empires 1 and 2! They should go back to game-making... for Linux and/or Mac OS-X We need more games there! Especially as good as AOE 1 and 2.

Cheers!

[Amon1973]

They are not going to be successful with that OS... it looks and feels like bathroom tiles. Professionals and companies are not going to use W8, and I strongly believe it's the people they sell software to. No news that many average end-users use cracks.

But you know...they might be already on W9, trying to remedy the errors and bring the user base back. They are famous for being spot on with one OS and then f**k up the following one

[EDIT: Hey Robin, I'm not just deraling the thread, I voted ]

[Music Engineer]

♥ your plugins Mr. Robin from www.rs-met.com Especially your simplistic, concise GUIs, font [reminds me of Atari 1040!] and the colour-theme changer! Beautiful! :)I would jump on the opportunity to give you big thank you for your incredible work. I wish more developers used such a nice, flexible, efficient, fast GUI framework [engine?]. I suppose it's completely your work?

much thanks. well, it's based on juce (www.rawmaterialsoftware.com). i actually think that many audio software vendors use this framework. but yes, i - sort of - superimposed a framework of my own on top of it.

i actually still consider it all somewhat bloated. all the plugins have a lot of this framework-code in common (statically linked in, in programmer-speak). the current plan is to have all the framework stuff in one (or several) separate dlls and let the different plugins use this dll. that would reduce the memory (and harddisk) footprint of the plugins considerably. the common dll would presumably be of a size, comparable to what a single plugin is now, and a plugin would then be very small (i guess below 100 kB). i would then provide an installer that installs the whole plugin suite in one swoop. ...well, that was off-topic also.

[Music Engineer]

They are famous for being spot on with one OS and then f**k up the following one

hehe. yeah. i skipped vista entirely and probably will do the same with 8, after all i read here.

[jancivil]

I can't actually fit my answer to your poll. I use exclusively 32-bit host on my master machine and largely x64 on a slave and connect the two via gigabit LAN and the VE Pro host. there are a couple of plugins that have not smoothly made the transition to x64 per that host - Amplitube 3 is next-to-useless in it - so I use a couple of things still as 32-bit on the slave.

as far as me being in the market for 32-bit only plugs I am not, not at all.

the OS I use on both is Snow Leopard 10.6.8. I always boot the slave as x64 kernel.

[Amon1973]

They are famous for being spot on with one OS and then f**k up the following one

hehe. yeah. i skipped vista entirely and probably will do the same with 8, after all i read here.

Wise choice
I skipped Vista entirely as well and will skip W8 for sure - it really seems to be playing with a freaking pad, no Start menu, everything full screen. Win7 runs smooth here and it's now tuned to my needs, that machine will run fine for quite some time.

BTW, your plugins are very nice, super-usable and well implemented. I don't have a L/R + M/S metering plugin since I switched to x64... so I look forward to an update Cheers!

[Music Engineer]

Wise choice
I skipped Vista entirely as well and will skip W8 for sure - it really seems to be playing with a freaking pad, no Start menu, everything full screen. Win7 runs smooth here and it's now tuned to my needs, that machine will run fine for quite some time.

yes. same here. i don't care about being up to date just for the sake of being up to date.

BTW, your plugins are very nice, super-usable and well implemented. I don't have a L/R + M/S metering plugin since I switched to x64... so I look forward to an update Cheers!

thank you. eventually, this native x64 support will certainly happen but in light of the poll results, it dropped a bit on my priority list.

[Music Engineer]

Ableton Live, and several of the smaller VST hosts are all still 32-bit. So is ProTools.

thanks for the info. i wasn't aware of that. i assumed that all the big players would have native x64 support by now. if they can still get away without, so can i - for the time being.

[seismic1]

I run EnergyXT2.6 and FL Studio on Win7 64. Both of these are 32-bit programs, but FL can load 64-bit VSTs

[aMUSEd]

Ableton Live, and several of the smaller VST hosts are all still 32-bit. So is ProTools.

thanks for the info. i wasn't aware of that. i assumed that all the big players would have native x64 support by now. if they can still get away without, so can i - for the time being.

Well the rest are - Ableton just seem kindly stuck on version 8 for various reasons

[KevWestBeats]

Oddly enough I have been running Sonar X1 at 64 bit and because I heard a rumor that reason rewire actually works better when Sonar is 32 bit I installed the 32 bit version of X1 and it actually runs a lot better with my 32 bit plug ins and so I am going back to 32 bit since most of my favorite vsti are 32 bit (Korg Legacy stuff, Sampletank, and Addictive drums specifically) and all of my plugs that are 64 bit can also run as 32 bit. To me at least it makes more sense to do it that way than bit bridging right now.

[t3toooo]

thanks robin for bringing up this thread.

yes. i also have that kind of "never change a running system" attitude which is one of the major reasons why i sticked to windows xp (32 bit) up to now. i feel, that i'm heavily lagging behind with my development setup compared to the majority of users.

going for a 64 bit host has nothing to do with better sound but it is essential for more ram utilization.

man,some guis and plugins are eating ram like a dog it's food,i wouldn't say that i need much more than 4 gb ram but the 2-3 ram limit was a torture.

some plugins like kontakt (32bit) can not handle more than 2 gb of ram (officially) in a 32 bit host and i had issues like odd behaviors and crashes when i went about 2.5-6 gb.


now,the drawback using a 64 host with bridged 32bit plugins it is introducing latency.


that's the main reason i avoid 32 plugs and i guess many others think the same.


image line talks about bridging their plugins and i really hope the integrated bridge wont have too much latency otherwise i need to stop using most of them regularly.


i hope utonic is reading this thread as well,since microtonic could have a lower latency in a 64 bit host.


(that was emotional )