New Mac, and I just gotta say...

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[polaris20]

Everyone has a sob story over a computer brand or something that they've had a bad experience with. If you were to ask me, I'd tell you to never buy a Dell, based on the hundreds I've worked on, or HP for that matter. But there's always someone else with opposite experiences.

I've come to expect this sort of dismissal. It's not a "sob" story and your attempt to cast my experience in a pejorative tone betrays your personal bias.

It's especially telling that my issues have been largely centered around well known Apple reliability problems, iBook power supplies, heat and motherboard issues, screens, screen connections, batteries, etc.

I still use some Apple products daily, but you wouldn't get me to buy one of their laptops without also getting AppleCare. You should have a reasonably healthy sense of doubt about their supposed "better reliability", because there's little evidence to suggest that they are significantly more reliable.

What's not under any doubt is the difference in price. Macs are far more expensive. If what you want is style, then you're getting that in spades, just don't delude yourself into thinking that you're getting something that's significantly more reliable.

Actually, no, it is a sob story. It's clear you're taking yet another opportunity to complain about 20 Macs you've had a bad experience with. For what reason? To deter others? To gain sympathy?

Macs aren't far more expensive when compared to similar Windows hardware. Yes, you can get a $500 shitbox at Best Buy. But when compared to something more robust, like a Dell Latitude or Lenovo Thinkpad, the differences are very minor. I buy dozens of them both, that's just the way it is. Mac Pro's are similar in price to HP Z series. Etc. Etc.

The failure rate for my company between Thinkpads and Macs are the same. They're both more reliable than HP's or Dells, in my experience. So continue on with your experience, but that's really all it is, as is mine. That's why I don't personally swoop into every thread here with how reliable I think a given brand is.

[ghettosynth]

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[mcnoone]

...I'm loving it!

I have a 15"mbp and there's something important that you should check.
I'm on snow leopard, but lion probably has the same thing.
Go into your preferences panel there, and find the lightbulb icon "energy saver" settings there.
Make sure you set the option for "better performance" and not longer battery.
If it has this.
It's really got to do with the graphics card. If it has 2 like mine.
That setting changes to the higher performance graphics card.
So if you look to see what graphics cards are there.
Mine has the 9400m Nvidia, and the 9600GT, so higher performance will make the 9600GT my graphics card.
Check into some other tweaks on forums and similar.

[mcnoone]

Horseshit.

I agree, this is true of all your posts in this thread so far.

[polaris20]

Isn't that obvious. It's an experience, and it's appropriate to share it in gushing threads such as this. If you want to ignore it, then do so. I described it as is, YMMV.

The thread is about how a guy is happy with his machine that he already bought, and you're trolling it up in here, for no purpose. It's not appropriate. No one asked the question "should I get a Mac or a PC, what are your experiences with them?"

Horseshit.

Really? How many machines are you personally responsible for buying in a month? How many do you support? Which OSes?

I've purchased across the spectrum, $500, or $1500, they have all vastly outperformed the MacBook Pros in terms of reliability which cost as much as $3000.

Yup, we know. 20 Macs. Sounds like a scientific study to me. I guess that really proves me wrong. I'll disregard the hundreds I support then, and let the users all know their machines are unreliable and to send them back because some guy on the Internet had a bad experience with 20.

The cheap shitbox is a Lenovo. Thinkpads are a lot less expensive for the same hardware than a Mac.

A T420 is about 10% less by the time you get done with it compared to what I pay for a 13" MBP, depending upon market fluctuations. Woohoo!! 

That has nothing to do with HP Zs being more reliable and everything to do with HP trying to get in on Apple's "style" brand.

Spoken like someone who hasn't the slightest idea what they're talking about. Get back to me when you have actually used or supported them for any length of time.

Failure rates mean next to nothing to the individual. It's a probabilistic result that only has value in large numbers. In other words, if your particular mac is the one that fails, the fact that you believed macs would be more reliable is no consolation.

On the other hand, your 20 Macs that you've had problems with mean absolutely nothing to me, because I've got hundreds proving me to the contrary. 

It's a personal experience, so it has more value than your, and in fact, my own similar corporate experiences. In particular, I'm quite sure that some or all of your employees/coworkers treat their computers like people treat rented cars. It is not comparable to how individuals treat their personal machines. You cannot control for that unobserved variable, precisely because it's unobserved.

I, however, can control for that in my case. I know precisely how I treat my machines and how my better half treated hers, we can see, in fact, that the problems with reliability appear to have little to do with how the machines are treated and everything to do with actual reliability issues. Small case studies like this are far easier to observe the details. Those details give you a better picture of what to expect.

Oh, sorry. So you're personal experience is more valuable than mine. Never mind that I've had them personally for years as well, and know exactly how they're treated too. 

You don't get it. First, you're shitting in this guy's thread. Second, no one cares about your minuscule experiences with Macs any more than they care about mine, nor should they. 

What's even more amusing is that you attempt this silly straw man argument that apparently my points show my bias, when my bias isn't even for OS X. (it's Linux, in case you were wondering). 

Have a good evening, man. Good luck with changing people's mind one anonymous forum post at a time. 

[debra1rlo]

well, sorry all the haters shit on your thread skipkent, enjoy your new machine


@ the haters: i look at the new PC threads on this forum all the time and I rarely see a Mac person bashing on someone's new PC purchase. but turn the tables and boy do you have fun shitting on someone's thread.

nah, never mind, foget it... you people deserve the hell that is windows

[polaris20]

well, sorry all the haters shit on your thread skipkent, enjoy your new machine


@ the haters: i look at the new PC threads on this forum all the time and I rarely see a Mac person bashing on someone's new PC purchase. but turn the tables and boy do you have fun shitting on someone's thread.

nah, never mind, foget it... you people deserve the hell that is windows

Well said man, and I guess I'm to blame as well. I apologize.

To the OP, enjoy your purchase, and stay open-minded!

[ZenPunkHippy]

skipkent, enjoy your new machine

[ghettosynth]

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[polaris20]

You're still answering a question no one asked and stating personal anecdotes as fact. Yeah, it's a discussion forum. You're still trolling. You get an immediate "dismissal" because in the end your individual experience doesn't mean a damn thing. If I didn't buy something because some guy on the Internet had a bad experience, there'd be nothing left to buy. That's my point.

[surferman]

Enjoy your new Mac. I love my 15 invch mbpro. I support nearly 400 macs across 2 schools and in my experience macs are very reliable. I set up 117 new 13 inch mbpros in November for teachers who use them to present and project resources throughout the school day. Except for one that was dropped and one with spilt sprite into it, all working with no problems. They are all functioning perfectly. I still have over 50 of the G3 iMacs working, after running all day during the school year since being purchased new over 10 years ago. I've been doing this since the days of lc580's and lc 520s.
You'll probably be enjoying your Macbook Pro for many many years!

[debra1rlo]

well, sorry all the haters shit on your thread skipkent, enjoy your new machine


@ the haters: i look at the new PC threads on this forum all the time and I rarely see a Mac person bashing on someone's new PC purchase. but turn the tables and boy do you have fun shitting on someone's thread.

nah, never mind, foget it... you people deserve the hell that is windows

Well said man, and I guess I'm to blame as well. I apologize.

To the OP, enjoy your purchase, and stay open-minded!

thanks for calling off the dogs

i should mention something that anyone who's ever had a question in the Tracktion forum here at kvr probably already knows: skip is a nice guy and will always help out if he's around. he doesn't deserve a Mac v PC debate just because he got a new machine... plus he mentioned in his first post he wasn't going to stop using his PC, so the whole debate thing is pretty much irrelevant anyhoo.

[polaris20]

well, sorry all the haters shit on your thread skipkent, enjoy your new machine


@ the haters: i look at the new PC threads on this forum all the time and I rarely see a Mac person bashing on someone's new PC purchase. but turn the tables and boy do you have fun shitting on someone's thread.

nah, never mind, foget it... you people deserve the hell that is windows

Well said man, and I guess I'm to blame as well. I apologize.

To the OP, enjoy your purchase, and stay open-minded!

thanks for calling off the dogs

i should mention something that anyone who's ever had a question in the Tracktion forum here at kvr probably already knows: skip is a nice guy and will always help out if he's around. he doesn't deserve a Mac v PC debate just because he got a new machine... plus he mentioned in his first post he wasn't going to stop using his PC, so the whole debate thing is pretty much irrelevant anyhoo.

With things being what they are it's generally best to choose your apps and work your way back to the machine anyway. Ah Tracktion. I sure do miss it.

[ghettosynth]

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