Mulabs MUX is for sale

[aMUSEd]

3. This is afaik the only modular enviroment, in which you cannot only host VST instruments and effects, but even modulate their automatable parameters with the internal envelopes and LFO's without using midi and with a user defineable resolution (in samples) plus building up your own GUI even from the controls of the VST/i

You might want to take a look at Sensomusic Usine then as it can host and modulate VSTs and also offers a very powerful interface builder. It is also a modular host and VST plus it can export custom made VSTs too. Plus it comes with scripting so if you need any modules not included they can easily be created

1. Usine is a standalone application, which can create and export VST's but it isn't a VST itself...

Yeah it is. Comes as standalone and plugin

Only downside is it's Windows only, but so is Mux for now

[MuTools]

TX16 is about the best for free and way better than the samplers in MUX right now unfortunately

Why?

[Trancit]

Yeah it is. Comes as standalone and plugin

Only downside is it's Windows only, but so is Mux for now

Ok, that I didn't know... In this case the MUX has one real competitor...

[Trancit]

TX16 is about the best for free and way better than the samplers in MUX right now unfortunately

TX 16 is one of the best examples for the opposite of easy to use...perhaps I am too silly, but I don't get how to use it, I don't even be able to load a sample into it...

[braj]

I think 75 euros is reasonable, just I don't have the cash to spend on it, and not a huge priority to find it. It does stuff I like, just I don't usually need to create such complex routings, a synth with an effect after it or a couple synths in a folder track with sends to an effect is usually all I need. But it is on my radar and when I have the free cash I'll definitely be picking it up, I think they have a winner especially for some people.

[allofdrab]

3. This is afaik the only modular enviroment, in which you cannot only host VST instruments and effects, but even modulate their automatable parameters with the internal envelopes and LFO's without using midi and with a user defineable resolution (in samples) plus building up your own GUI even from the controls of the VST/i

I can do all of this with Bidule quite easily.

That said, I'm not trying to bash Mux.
It looks great, and I'll likely buy it when a Mac version comes out.

[allofdrab]

Karma and Reaktor and Synthedit cannot host VST, one of the most important features of the MUX... none of these are such easy but flexible to use...none of these even if far more expensive offer such a genius OSC like the MUX...
The only synth I know, whichs OSC offers similar features like the MUX one is Zebra2 and this one costs 198,-€

Interesting, I feel like Bidule offers great OSC support, but haven't been able to try OSC with MUX as I am using a Mac.
What is it about MUX's OSC support that you consider genius?
(I'm being completely serious here; I'm purely curious)

[allofdrab]

4. It is very very easy to use but nevertheless far deeper than one would think at first glance... while something like Bidule might go deeper and has more option in terms of audio recording and sequencing, for me it looks and feels too much like an academic programming surface from which I don't have any clue...

Interesting, could you give an example of what you mean?
Perhaps it is because I've been using Bidule for so long (about 10 years), that it feels so intuitive to me.
Does your comment have something to do with the organization of things - for example; do you find it easier to find what you're looking for?
Or is it purely the look/graphics of the interface that confuse you/turn you off?
Just curious.
Obviously I'm a big fan of Bidule, but some competition could be really good!
Perhaps something about MUX will encourage Plogue to take Bidule in a new, exciting direction.
Nevertheless, my impression so far is that Bidule + MUX would be a seriously powerful combination!
I'm definitely looking forward to the Mac version of MUX.

[grymmjack]

Yeah I didn't demo Bidule much but found MUX much more accessable, I will try to get this at some point but the price for me is a little high as I don't think I would use it all that much. Back-burner of my wish list.

Imho, the price is far more than fair...

A few points why:

3. This is afaik the only modular enviroment, in which you cannot only host VST instruments and effects, but even modulate their automatable parameters with the internal envelopes and LFO's without using midi and with a user defineable resolution (in samples) plus building up your own GUI even from the controls of the VST/i

Last hint: I am only an absolute fanboy and absolutely convinced of this VST... I don't work for Jo (who's the developer) or receive any payment/commission

Trancit, can you list out the modulators for connecting to VST automation parameters? And are these controlable in a simple way?

e.g.

Map an LFO to a VST parameter on a synth that doesn't have one, then modulate that LFO itself with an envelope to provide a fading in effect? Is there a step sequencer or table (like reaktor)?

Thanks

[braj]

Well the biggest limitation for me is it doesn't apparently output midi to other tracks in Studio One. I can set an Event Output but no inputs appear for other tracks in Studio One. I would love to wrap arps and transposing tools up with in MUX but with no way to get the final midi out I can't 'write' the midi to other tracks. I could always just leave everything in C major in the DAW and have MUX always transpose, but then I have no midi output to use anywhere else. Not like I am publishing my midi for someone else, but still, it is a limiting.

[sl23]

I paid 65Euros (or was that £?) for MuLab and didn't even know what the Mux was let alone understand how good it is or what value for money it was. The Mux makes it easy to build stuf that even I am starting to slowly and with help from AndreasD get into.

My point is I bought a DAW not knowing about the fantastic addition that was included. For the Mux to be so cheap is fantastic, it has many things lacking imho, but that will come eventually, maybe not everything, but I live in hope

Thanks for a fantastic er... what ever you call it? Modular environment? Anyway thanks for such a great 'thingy' to play with. At least this won't make me go blind!

[allofdrab]

Thanks for a fantastic er... what ever you call it? Modular environment? Anyway thanks for such a great 'thingy' to play with. At least this won't make me go blind!

Is this a reference to Pure Data?

[AndreasD]

Map an LFO to a VST parameter on a synth that doesn't have one, then modulate that LFO itself with an envelope to provide a fading in effect? Is there a step sequencer or table (like reaktor)?

This is pretty easy:
- add your VST(s) inside the MUX
- add a "Parameter Event Generator" module
- Connect it's output to the VST
- now open the "Event Generator" module and you will have a list of all VST parameter available. Select the one you want to modulate, set the resolution of this param.
- add an LFO and connct its output with the "Event Generator" module (your VST param will now wobble)
- add an ADSR envelope, connect it to LFO amplitude and setup the envelope as required (the wobble will now follow the ADSR)
- add a "Note to Event" module and connect Keytrack to the ADSR attack speed (the higher the note the faster the VST will start to wobble)
- add another LFO and connect it the the 1st LFO's frequency (LFO control another LFO speed)
- connect the "Note Event" random output to the 2nd LFO amplitude (...which will be controlled by random values)

... if your head starts spinning about the above modulation, you have not even scratched the surface.

No step sequencer (yet), but you can use the multi point envelope.

[rj0]

I paid 65Euros (or was that £?) for MuLab and didn't even know what the Mux was let alone understand how good it is or what value for money it was. The Mux makes it easy to build stuf that even I am starting to slowly and with help from AndreasD get into.

My point is I bought a DAW not knowing about the fantastic addition that was included. For the Mux to be so cheap is fantastic, it has many things lacking imho, but that will come eventually, maybe not everything, but I live in hope

Thanks for a fantastic er... what ever you call it? Modular environment? Anyway thanks for such a great 'thingy' to play with. At least this won't make me go blind!

Hmmm,

On the website says "MUX is integrated into MuLab"(which is what you seem to be describing).

So the advantages of getting MUX for 75 Euros vs. MuLab (with MUX included) for 75 Euros is?

[AndreasD]

The thing for me with MUX is that it's so immediate.

You can do all sorts of things by first principles:
Chorus/Flanger/Phaser/compressor with filtered sidechain/parallel compression/Reverb/all kinds of odd Filter/Multiband thingys/Gater/Delays in all sorts of flavours ....

You can build crazy synths:
10 osc, 7 env, 9 LFO, 3 ringmod, 4 distortion, 19 filters in one device anyone? It's GREAT FUN.

Modulation madness:
I'm using Mulab/MUX now for quite some time. Since Mulab 4, i have not found a situation where i wanted to modulate something and couldn't.

I admit that other modulars can have a nicer GUI (limited experience here - Reaktor and Synthmaker only), but i don't spend hours to setup the GUI. In MUX it's just drag&drop. Serves me very well.