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jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:44 pm

Sampletank Free + the OmniSynth 2 collection

http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=4736

That gives you a reasonably sized GM collection and sampletank 2 is multitimbral so you can have up to 16 channels loaded into the same instance (each corresponding to a different channel).

It won't load the instruments automatically (I assume you mean when you load up a General midi file). Although I *think* sampletank can be set to respond to these types of messages...you'll have to dig into the manual a bit to see.

EDIT: With the Program CH button on Sampletank, you can set up certain sounds to load with program changes. It'll require some set up, but it should respond to program changes at least.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:46 am

crisis-at-music wrote:
Compyfox wrote:AFAIR, my Yamaha DB50XG had 64MB Wave ROM, but then again it covered XG and TG-300 sounds as well. My MU-15 (which is pretty much the equivalent to the DB50) already had 64-128MB Wave Rom.
I am pretty sure the DG50XG has only 4MB of WaveROM, like my MU-10 (which is a MU-15 without keys and knobs). Even the MU-128 and the SW1000XG sound card have "only" 24MB ROM.

This is the major problem I had with finding specs for both the DB50 and the MU-15 - no wave rom size.

Dunno why I thought 64MB, but I had at least a 4 in rememberance. Maybe it's written on the box of the DB50, if I can still find it. Funny enough, it's neither written in the manual, nor on any spec page on the internet.

Still, for 4MB such a great sound with (not so great) editing capabilities... state of the art back in the day, still usable nowadays. Pity that Yamaha never ported their XG-Editor as VSTi.

EDIT:
Just checked a couple of pages, and yes, especially on WikiPedia with the Yamaha XG artcle, the XG series pop up with 4MB to boot. According to data, the MU-10 was built in 1996, one year after the daugher board (DB50) came up. In 1998, the MU-15 was released. Some sources say it's "just" a MU-5 (released 1994) but updated, though the manual and specs are the same as the DB50.

Either way, still a great bread and butter synth. Shame that there are barely any specs around anymore. I was always speculating with a MU-100R or MU-128, though the changes were not uber-drastic by nowadays standards (more parts, more instruments, more voices in general - give me a better editor, and I run it fully rather than one or two instruments only).

Regarding GM "banks" as VSTi:
I do remember very vague that EWQL Goliath also offered a GM setup... but this is getting a bit overkill now.

Christian1979 · Post by **Christian1979** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:12 am

I have downloaded this 2 GB sfz Libary...
But I see this are only single Instruments, but not a multisample...
So I have to load each Instrument manually and assign it to a MIDI-Channel and this is nor, what I want to do...

Further I have tried some other GM synths like Coyote ForteDXi or Hypersonic etc...
But all them sounds not rudimental good like the Bandstand Sounds!!!

Why there is no simple HighQuality GM-Library available anymore?
This can't be true...

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:25 am

can't you use Kontakt Player to use the sound from Bandstand ?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:42 am

Yes, you should be able to do that.

Christian1979 · Post by **Christian1979** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:02 am

How I can do it?
Is the kontakt player free?

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:27 am

For what i understand, SFZ has no multiformat ie all programs will be one file each.
What about the SF2 file?

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:09 pm

Christian1979 wrote:How I can do it?
Is the kontakt player free?

yes it is free, i just found this thread :
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... hp?t=92747

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:35 pm

If you have Sonar, you should have the Cakewalk TTS-1, which is basically a Sound Canvas in software (GM2 compatible). It works flawlessly as a GM module, and with the proper effects (use the internal ones, they are pretty good), you can reproduce perfectly the GM sequences. It sounds pretty good, better than the Native Instruments module, IMO. No need for anything else.

UltimateOutsider · Post by **UltimateOutsider** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:33 pm

fmr wrote:It sounds pretty good, better than the Native Instruments module, IMO. No need for anything else.

Just out of curiousity, what Native Instruments module provides a GM bank? I was looking for a GM player a few months ago and ended up just getting a couple hardware Roland SoundCanvases off eBay. They work and sound great- just the GM soundset itself is kind of dated and cheesy.

Also, I have Cubase 6. Does the Halion included with Cubase have a GM bank, or is that just the full version?

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:11 pm

UltimateOutsider wrote:
fmr wrote:It sounds pretty good, better than the Native Instruments module, IMO. No need for anything else.
Just out of curiousity, what Native Instruments module provides a GM bank? I was looking for a GM player a few months ago and ended up just getting a couple hardware Roland SoundCanvases off eBay. They work and sound great- just the GM soundset itself is kind of dated and cheesy.

Also, I have Cubase 6. Does the Halion included with Cubase have a GM bank, or is that just the full version?

The NI product was Bandstand, but it is already discontinued. It was based in Kontakt, so, it should run in Kontakt 5. However, it probably won't respond to program change messages (which the original did).
Also, there was one (IMO better) module from Terratec called Wave Xtable, also based in Kontakt.
Regarding the HALion Sonic, I cannot be sure, since I have the full product, but I think that the SE version included in Cubase 6 also have the GM sounds.

Christian1979 · Post by **Christian1979** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:48 pm

I try to download this 2 GB Music-Box Soundfont...
But all Download-Links are dead...
Can someone tell me, where I can get this soundfont?

UltimateOutsider · Post by **UltimateOutsider** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:53 pm

fmr wrote:
UltimateOutsider wrote:
fmr wrote: Regarding the HALion Sonic, I cannot be sure, since I have the full product, but I think that the SE version included in Cubase 6 also have the GM sounds.

I think you might be right- the Halion that comes with cubase should be able to import MIDI files with GM sounds, but it from what I could find on the Cubase forum it might not respond to GM program changes; only the instruments assigned in the MIDI file.

For my own needs, it sounds like I made the right choice with the SoundCanvas.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:57 pm

This one is DXI and to my hears it sounds ok http://www.pgmusic.com/coyotefortedxi.htm
it uses giga-files ..

thought i should mention it at least

miquelmatas · Post by **miquelmatas** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:45 pm

Christian1979 wrote:I try to download this 2 GB Music-Box Soundfont...
But all Download-Links are dead...
Can someone tell me, where I can get this soundfont?

Here you are:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 65#5099065

GM Library (VSTi or DXi)?