Korg M1 and the 90s dance sounds

[ghettosynth]

Well then any idea how I would make the sounds from 00:44; 2:53; 4:45

0.44 - bog standard dance piano you can find on the nexus, but this one is doubled (so 2 of the same piano)

2.53 - saw waves on the M1, download the midi to "urban cookie collect - the key the secret" its a 90s dance song that this riff is copying, 2 saw waves with a little release on the envelope & reverb

4.45 - hammond organ with full Leslie (gives it that wobbley chorus like effect) just go through all your synth presets for organs and manually add more chorus and a little delay

Yep, there's not much in the M1 that can't be replicated easily with newer instruments.

but will not sound exactly the same

No two M1's will sound "exactly" the same, but, for all intents and purposes, yes, they will sound "exactly" the same.

The M1 is only remembered fondly for its historic significance, not for its sound, per se. There's a great discussion about this on gearslutz. We discussed this in another thread, it is precisely the SAMPLES that define the sound. The filter is bordering on worthless.

In that thread they discuss the origins of the samples. Some think that the piano is in the DSS1 library. Out of curiosity, I'll check my library when I get home and see if I have that patch. It will be interesting to compare it to the M1 piano samples that are all over the web.

I suspect that the most defining characteristic of the M1 piano sound is, in fact, the low quality effects that are in the M1.

[ghettosynth]

$200 gets you the complete korg legacy collection.
M1, ms-20, wavestation, mono/poly, polysix and a wrapper that lets you use ms-20 and polysix simultaneously in various combinations.
All expansion cards are included. Worth it if you can stretch that far.

if i rmemeber rightly the cheapest path to this is:

-buy a korg nanokey, which comes with m1 LE
-having m1LE allows you to upgrade to the full korg suite for $99

so depending on how much the nanokey costs, around $130-140?
if thats still too much, sell the nanokey on ebay to recoup some of the costs

Seems to me that getting the 61 key version is a better value. I might, in fact, pick this up, believe it or not. Not because I care about the software but because I want a really small keyboard with more than 37 keys. Are there any competing keyboards in this size/price range?

[planetearth]

$200 gets you the complete korg legacy collection.
M1, ms-20, wavestation, mono/poly, polysix and a wrapper that lets you use ms-20 and polysix simultaneously in various combinations.
All expansion cards are included. Worth it if you can stretch that far.

if i rmemeber rightly the cheapest path to this is:

-buy a korg nanokey, which comes with m1 LE
-having m1LE allows you to upgrade to the full korg suite for $99

so depending on how much the nanokey costs, around $130-140?
if thats still too much, sell the nanokey on ebay to recoup some of the costs

Korg offered that upgrade on the nanoKey2, nanoKontrol2 and others. You can also download some other cool (and moderately useful) VST instruments for free, courtesy of Korg. I don't know if they're still doing it though, so you might want to check the Korg User forum (http://www.korguser.net) to see.

Note that you get "LE" versions of the synths with the nano devices; the full versions come with every sound Korg released for them, and are well worth it!

And the Korg Legacy Collection is now 64-bit.

Steve

[r4ndom]

gotta love the organ "show me love" sound

[ghettosynth]

gotta love the organ "show me love" sound

Yep.

the basic sound is created as follows: The 16' drawbar set to 8, the 5-1/3' drawbar set to 6 or 7, and the 2-2/3' drawbar set to 2 or 3, with third harmonic percussion toggled to normal (not soft) volume and fast decay. From there, slap on a chorus using medium rate and depth and a 50/50 wet/dry mix. After the chorus, add a hall reverb with a two- or three-second decay and a 20/80 wet/dry mix. Feel free to tinker with these settings until the sound sits correctly in your mix.

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/danc ... organ/4464

[damargeo]

gotta love the organ "show me love" sound

Yep.

the basic sound is created as follows: The 16' drawbar set to 8, the 5-1/3' drawbar set to 6 or 7, and the 2-2/3' drawbar set to 2 or 3, with third harmonic percussion toggled to normal (not soft) volume and fast decay. From there, slap on a chorus using medium rate and depth and a 50/50 wet/dry mix. After the chorus, add a hall reverb with a two- or three-second decay and a 20/80 wet/dry mix. Feel free to tinker with these settings until the sound sits correctly in your mix.

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/danc ... organ/4464

and yet you hear their examples of this and does not sound the same - similar yes - the same no... but lets not get on another vst/hardware rant, the reason I bought the M1 is because I had the vst.

The vst will give you all the rare cards and extra banks of sounds...

the hardware... well it's hard to describe, it's elegant, black - very black, and something great about having the real thing at your finger tips, maybe I'm a dinosaur but I'm sure there are a few that agree

[Hy-Fy]

I'm just going for something like this

[ghettosynth]

gotta love the organ "show me love" sound

Yep.

the basic sound is created as follows: The 16' drawbar set to 8, the 5-1/3' drawbar set to 6 or 7, and the 2-2/3' drawbar set to 2 or 3, with third harmonic percussion toggled to normal (not soft) volume and fast decay. From there, slap on a chorus using medium rate and depth and a 50/50 wet/dry mix. After the chorus, add a hall reverb with a two- or three-second decay and a 20/80 wet/dry mix. Feel free to tinker with these settings until the sound sits correctly in your mix.

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/danc ... organ/4464

and yet you hear their examples of this and does not sound the same - similar yes - the same no... but lets not get on another vst/hardware rant, the reason I bought the M1 is because I had the vst.

The vst will give you all the rare cards and extra banks of sounds...

the hardware... well it's hard to describe, it's elegant, black - very black, and something great about having the real thing at your finger tips, maybe I'm a dinosaur but I'm sure there are a few that agree

Because they didn't nail it doesn't mean that it's not easy enough to nail. The important part, thought, is that "nailing" it doesn't really matter. Note that they say "the basic sound." If I cared more, I'd demonstrate it. The sawtooth is even easier to nail. There's a similar article on the piano, somewhere.

[Darkstar2010]

+1

The M1 and especially the Wavestation have a really nice and unique retro feel to them.
I personally like some of the sounds a lot more than the modern stuff ... they are just more interesting and offer more atmosphere. They are alive and deep.

It's somehow strange (and sad), that those old instruments with cheap and really not optimal digital signal flow do have more character than a lot of modern VA synths.

Here are some audio-demos I made some years ago of some random Wavestation patches:
Mixed
Mixed2
Retro
FX
Pad
Pad2

The last 2 Pads are really nice. Do you know the names of those patches on the Wavestation?

[Nokenoku]

Ouff ...
Maybe if I find the old .flp files, where I saved those demos.
They're probably somewhere on one of my archive-discs.

I will look for them in a week or so (at the moment: zero time).

[Darkstar2010]

Ouff ...
Maybe if I find the old .flp files, where I saved those demos.
They're probably somewhere on one of my archive-discs.

I will look for them in a week or so (at the moment: zero time).

Thank you I really appreciate that. The pad demos sound amazing so it'd be cool to know the names of the patches you used. I'm really into those kinds of sounds as well and agree with everything you wrote in your original post about how much character these synths have.