Thanks dan, nice to know others out there 'get it' too.danbroad wrote:...but the idea of inexpensive modular components is very cool.
Time for a virtual modular standard...?
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- KVRAF
- 13140 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
He may be referring to Ochen K.'s A-series modular rack extensions (which are loosley based on Doepfer A-100 modules). There are actually quite a few rack extensions now that take a more modular approach to Reason's rack. Devs like Jiggery Pokery, Zvork, Ochen K., etc. have many REs that don't do much on their own (LFOs, envelopes, quantizers, sample and hold, signal routing) but when combined are extremely flexible and powerful.xalama qo wrote:Sounds interesting, can you divulge any more info?aMUSEd wrote:Someone is actually creating a Modular synth with rack type modules for Reason and RE format.
I think Reason is an excellent example of what you are describing but have no idea how feasible it would outside of a fairly closed environment. I mean, Eurorack and 500 series modules can also be a great example of the problems, that a lack of standardization, can cause.
Don't get me wrong, I would welcome a lower level plug-in format that would allow for mixing and matching of different aspects of audio/control/midi processors and synth voices. I was kinda hoping that this is what Native Instrument's Kore would become.
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- KVRAF
- 37507 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
http://shop.propellerheads.se/product/a ... lar-synth/xalama qo wrote:Sounds interesting, can you divulge any more info?aMUSEd wrote:Someone is actually creating a Modular synth with rack type modules for Reason and RE format.
http://shop.propellerheads.se/product/a ... lar-synth/
Seem quite cheap too
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1586 posts since 7 Jun, 2007
Those do look pretty cool, but they still lack the mix'n'match appeal from different devs. And you have to buy into the whole Reason shpeel which I'm not gonna do again. If I could buy a device-less blank slate version of Reason, and then populate it with only the RE's I want, I might consider it. But that won't happen.
I have no idea what sort of lower level framework would entail development-wise to host these modules . It would essentially be a standardized plugin-type format in the same vein as VST. If VST is the orange, the virtual modular standard would be the segments.
I would imagine it would stimulate some innovation on a component level. How many Roland-type filters do you really need? So after a while instead of devs emulating entire synths, or Cytomic concentrating on classic filters, you'll have guys bringing out-of-the-ordinary stuff like comb filters and spectral osc's in module form, which will play nicely with, and compliment the usual analog emus. You may even have new coding wizards coming up with proof of concept modules, etc etc.
It's main appeal would be for guys who really obsess (erm...in a healthy way) over the nuances of different emulations, eg: which filter do I prefer, Diva Moog, or Monark? TAL Bassline, LuSH, or Cytomic? You can demo them in your rack, and then buy whichever you prefer for $30 or something.
Fact is, CPUs are just speeding up all the time. Calculation of modular states per sample will become more and more doable with more complex systems and higher sample-rates.
So, just putting the idea out there. I hope Urs and the extended dream-team crew will ponder it for a second or two.
I have no idea what sort of lower level framework would entail development-wise to host these modules . It would essentially be a standardized plugin-type format in the same vein as VST. If VST is the orange, the virtual modular standard would be the segments.
I would imagine it would stimulate some innovation on a component level. How many Roland-type filters do you really need? So after a while instead of devs emulating entire synths, or Cytomic concentrating on classic filters, you'll have guys bringing out-of-the-ordinary stuff like comb filters and spectral osc's in module form, which will play nicely with, and compliment the usual analog emus. You may even have new coding wizards coming up with proof of concept modules, etc etc.
It's main appeal would be for guys who really obsess (erm...in a healthy way) over the nuances of different emulations, eg: which filter do I prefer, Diva Moog, or Monark? TAL Bassline, LuSH, or Cytomic? You can demo them in your rack, and then buy whichever you prefer for $30 or something.
Fact is, CPUs are just speeding up all the time. Calculation of modular states per sample will become more and more doable with more complex systems and higher sample-rates.
So, just putting the idea out there. I hope Urs and the extended dream-team crew will ponder it for a second or two.
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 24 Mar, 2012
You can mix and match them with other modules in Reason. Dont like the filters use Etch Red, U-he Runciter or even the ones on Thor. Don't like the EG use the 9 stage EG from Jiggery Pokery. Plus you can save all your monster mudular patches inside the Combinator. A blank slate of Reason is not a bad idea.xalama qo wrote:Those do look pretty cool, but they still lack the mix'n'match appeal from different devs. And you have to buy into the whole Reason shpeel which I'm not gonna do again. If I could buy a device-less blank slate version of Reason, and then populate it with only the RE's I want, I might consider it. But that won't happen.
You have other cool devives for you mudular dreams. http://shop.propellerheads.se/product/a ... nthesizer/
I think Reason already offer what you guys are asking for really.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1586 posts since 7 Jun, 2007
I'll agree that there is a large area of overlap, but the main difference is that the shell is open source/donationware, and it's a blank slate with only what you put into it, which will then run as a VSTi/VST effect in a normal DAW.
You could look at it as taking the RE's out of Reason, in a way. But not exactly.(RE's are actually just putting VSTs INTO Reason). But the RE concept is close in terms of flexibility.
SonicCharge BitSpeek, the RE has modulation options which would be amazing in VST, but in this case the VST is more limited than the RE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but some of the BitSpeek RE modulation sources could be addressed via DAW automation, or a utility like CableGuys MIDIShaper (is that the right name?), or plain old CC assignments. BUT I bet the RE version gets all this done in a more intuitive way.
Take Etch for example. It has something like 30 filter variations. What if you could buy a module with just the Japan collection, or SVF collection etc, for $20 each. (ok, bad example, I got Etch for $20 in a no-brainer!)but you know what I mean.
I may be in the minority, but I think there's a market for that outside of Reason
You could look at it as taking the RE's out of Reason, in a way. But not exactly.(RE's are actually just putting VSTs INTO Reason). But the RE concept is close in terms of flexibility.
SonicCharge BitSpeek, the RE has modulation options which would be amazing in VST, but in this case the VST is more limited than the RE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but some of the BitSpeek RE modulation sources could be addressed via DAW automation, or a utility like CableGuys MIDIShaper (is that the right name?), or plain old CC assignments. BUT I bet the RE version gets all this done in a more intuitive way.
Take Etch for example. It has something like 30 filter variations. What if you could buy a module with just the Japan collection, or SVF collection etc, for $20 each. (ok, bad example, I got Etch for $20 in a no-brainer!)but you know what I mean.
I may be in the minority, but I think there's a market for that outside of Reason
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- KVRian
- 508 posts since 9 Feb, 2012
The idea rates a "meh" from me, sorry... How is that really going to allow you to do anything (worth doing) that you can't already do today with conventional plugins and DAWs? Hypothetical sonic possibilities do not make the people dance...
I think a synthesizer and sampler plugin with sufficiently flexible internal routing(like Kontakt or Massive) plus your standard mono-effects chain is more than capable of generating any sound worth generating without resorting to an over-engineered modular approach.
I think a synthesizer and sampler plugin with sufficiently flexible internal routing(like Kontakt or Massive) plus your standard mono-effects chain is more than capable of generating any sound worth generating without resorting to an over-engineered modular approach.
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- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
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- KVRAF
- 2147 posts since 30 Oct, 2006 from Australia, NSW
How about the euro /frac hardware community build virtual versions of there modules as developers do for VST /AU for starters
http://www.voltagedisciple.com
Patches for PHASEPLANT ACE,PREDATOR, SYNPLANT, SUB BOOM BASS2,PUNCH , PUNCH BD
AALTO,CIRCLE,BLADE and V-Haus Card For Tiptop Audio ONE Module
https://soundcloud.com/somerville-1i
Patches for PHASEPLANT ACE,PREDATOR, SYNPLANT, SUB BOOM BASS2,PUNCH , PUNCH BD
AALTO,CIRCLE,BLADE and V-Haus Card For Tiptop Audio ONE Module
https://soundcloud.com/somerville-1i
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- KVRAF
- 7579 posts since 17 Feb, 2005
Glorious standards! Plugin standard, needs to be built very small, for large DAW economy!
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
what are you rolling you eyes at? your guess as to my whereabouts or your little dig?xalama qo wrote:Looks like Krim went to bed. That's a good boy.
what a fucktard
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
you get what you pay for...danbroad wrote: but the idea of inexpensive modular components is very cool.
if you want a cheap software modular, its going to sound cheap
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
It seems like you're imagining some utopian world where we have an open source host with the perfect plugin format, and all the best developers devote themselves to writing simple filter and oscillator modules which they sell for pennies. I think Reason is the closest you're going to get, but good luck with that. Me, I'll just keep patching my eurorack.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.