TAL U-NO-LX vs. DIVA

[fluffy_little_something]

thanks a lot mates, so all in all i should be able to do the same/nearly the same sounds with DIVA from TAL? ;D from a non-pro sound designer.

Which criteria did you use to narrow your list down to those two to begin with? Are you looking for the best sound quality no matter what? Or for emulations?

[Caine123]

thanks a lot mates, so all in all i should be able to do the same/nearly the same sounds with DIVA from TAL? ;D from a non-pro sound designer.

Which criteria did you use to narrow your list down to those two to begin with? Are you looking for the best sound quality no matter what? Or for emulations?

good sound, wide arrange of sounds (maybe characters too), good amount of presets to learn .

[Urs]

good sound, wide arrange of sounds (maybe characters too), good amount of presets to learn .

Give it another 24 hours of thought. We're going to start testing something ridiculously cool tomorrow.

[pdxindy]

thanks a lot mates, so all in all i should be able to do the same/nearly the same sounds with DIVA from TAL? ;D from a non-pro sound designer.

Every synth has its unique qualities... You have to decide what ones you like. There are no absolute answers...

[BDeep]

thanks a lot mates, so all in all i should be able to do the same/nearly the same sounds with DIVA from TAL? ;D from a non-pro sound designer.

Which criteria did you use to narrow your list down to those two to begin with? Are you looking for the best sound quality no matter what? Or for emulations?

good sound, wide arrange of sounds (maybe characters too), good amount of presets to learn .

To me, that would be more DIVA than U-NO-LX.... (the latter is quite limited - or more focussed, depending on your point of view )

[masterhiggins]

good sound, wide arrange of sounds (maybe characters too), good amount of presets to learn .

Give it another 24 hours of thought. We're going to start testing something ridiculously cool tomorrow.

What? No hints? Don't leave us hanging!

-Sam

[fluffy_little_something]

thanks a lot mates, so all in all i should be able to do the same/nearly the same sounds with DIVA from TAL? ;D from a non-pro sound designer.

Which criteria did you use to narrow your list down to those two to begin with? Are you looking for the best sound quality no matter what? Or for emulations?

good sound, wide arrange of sounds (maybe characters too), good amount of presets to learn .

Sure, everybody wants good sound, and let's face it, most modern synths sound good. But you have chosen two of the synths with the best sound quality out there.

I used to have the U-NO-LX as well, but I sold it because it used too much CPU and was not even flexible enough in terms of sound design, so after a while it got a bit boring, I felt like I could not get anything new out of it anymore. Now I mainly use Tarkus, which I bought as a bargain recently and totally owns the U-NO-LX in terms of sound design flexibility. Sure, the sound quality is not as professional as with the U-NO-LX, but the difference is not nearly as big as I thought it would be I guess I can say that I am happy with it and do not regret the purchase.

[Lotuzia]

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I'm interested to try Monark - the demo's sound good, but N.I's are quite polished using effects so not hearing the raw sound. Not that I need it - but like to try out all these emulations to see how close they are getting.

There seems to be a trade with sound v's cpu though with these modern emu's. I personally don't like these high cpu vst's, OPX-Pro II and Tal stuff is good sound with low CPU, Xils Lab V+(VST 3 version only) is low cpu, but Oxium, Diva(Demo) & Lush-101(now sold) killed my CPU. I bet Monark is high CPU - cannot demo it though!

You'll find that Monark is also demanding on the cpu.

Regarding Oxium, yes some patches will hit the CPU, especially those who use Unisson ( and especially with more than 3x Unisson),+ the two multimode filters, + the analog Chorus, and long release times.

This said, most basic analog patches, as those replicating the Jupiter 8 factory soundbank, will eat very few cpu. On my quite antique Q9600 Quad Core, a mono bass will simply eat 4/6% CPU, while a 6 note chord on a polyphonic standard analog patch will eat 10/13% Cpu. All this in the best deity mode, as Oxium only kniows one quality : The best.

As for sound design, Oxium is simply a monster, and you'll find in it 3 complex enveloppes, 3 complex LFOs, exclusive modulators like the masks, an already complew arpegiattor, and unique interactions between all these modulators, resulting in possible sounds just no other synth can do.

Once Oxium will be Multi Core, I think some people will see it from another POV. But yes, if you have a not so new PC, especially if its even older than mine, its better to check the demo and see what your computer can do with it.

Ok back to the contest between the two other synths

[breakmixer]

blah, blah, etc

Tell Xavier to do a VST3 version(of any synths he does including Oxium) - the difference between V+ 2.4 VST and VST3 was a major lowering of load, the same as any older low cpu plug, so thumbs up for the V+ VST3.

Yes I'm not on the latest mega powered pc - when the current one dies I'll get one, for now low cpu stuff as much as possible.

PS I still got Oxium(Where can I get Jupiter 8 bank?), I'm hoping the next update to be VST3 that's why I'm holding on to it....

Back to the topic...

[PAK]

as im narrowing down my shopping list i have to ask you who got more experiences than me , i like the TAL one but as i wanna get DIVA (too) i wanted to ask how those 2 are compared to each other?

Didn't you just ask the same question in another thread?

Diva sounds very similar to Uno LX. The question is how easy you'd find recreating those sounds with Diva Vs just using Uno LX. As an example, Diva requires you add a small amount of noise to get a similar resonance response at certain settings, where TAL's model includes this noise in the filter by default. Diva's oscillators require modulation to simulate greater instability which is already there in Uno LX.

In other words, Uno LX is made to sound like a Juno, where you have to program your way there in Diva. This doesn't just impact sound. It means Uno LX behaves more like the original musical instrument, which might also influence your usage. The advantage to Diva's approach is it offers a broader range of sound as you get to pick and choose the qualities you want more. They're pretty much on par with each other, but with fairly different aims. Uno LX is the more authentic, but if the differences really matter to someone they'd already know. Since demos are freely available the only thing stopping anyone from deciding for themselves is their own laziness.

Both TAL and Diva have VH Jump presets which can't come close to the one on OP-X Pro II (windows only).

D'oh. Another case of people going by presets Vs trying for themselves.

Here's Diva doing that sound even before it's got Oberheim filters added (It uses the LFO to simulate "grit"). No poly plugin yet matches the low end grunt / grumble of a real Oberheim, though the new 2DAT freebie synth should get close to matching Diva for free. I think Diva compares very favourably to any of the of the dedicated Oberheim emulations, but it is more effort to get there..

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3754 ... aMS20s.mp3

[zerocrossing]

My issue with the Tal stuff is that while it offers superb sound quality at a good price, it lacks some modern features that synths like Diva now have as "standard." Things like a mod matrix and preset browser. Now, if you're on a budget and sound is key, than yeah, go Tal. Me, I'd rather spend the extra money and get something that let's me really dig in to get the "sonic character" of a vintage synth, but with modern features in good software.

That said, I wish Tal would spiff up his plugs and release "pro" versions that had features like I mentioned. I'd be all over it.

[SadPuppyBlues]

serious, modern sound design

What does t his mean, exactly?

[muLperi]

good sound, wide arrange of sounds (maybe characters too), good amount of presets to learn .

Give it another 24 hours of thought. We're going to start testing something ridiculously cool tomorrow.

hmm what's this?

[Urs]

Diva's oscillators require modulation to simulate greater instability which is already there in Uno LX.

I can agree with everything you said, but the oscillators in the Juno 60 are absolutely stable. They're divide down DCOs from a single clock signal so the oscillators are as "phase locked" as those of a string machine. If anything then you can use Diva's drift feature to create an instability that no Juno 60 has

[Urs]

good sound, wide arrange of sounds (maybe characters too), good amount of presets to learn .

Give it another 24 hours of thought. We're going to start testing something ridiculously cool tomorrow.

hmm what's this?

I hope I haven't spoken too soon, but we're going to look for feedback for Diva's new modules from today (despite preliminary UI design)