Please help me decide between imageline Harmor or Toxic

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Tricky-Loops wrote:
4damind wrote:Harmor shines IMO for all kind of pluck and unison sounds, because it's very easy to program (you have a own "pluck" knob so it don't needs some mapping of a filter envelope etc). Not to mention that (IMO all IL synth) having this a bit darker/analog sound.

Such sounds can be created in a very, very short time (it needs a minute or so for this sound). A bit automation of the "pluck" parameter and it gives a very interesting bass/arp sound: Harmor Pluck (not mixed)
That's interesting...

For arps & plucks I would rather have used Toxic than Morphine... I never thought about making these kind of sounds with Morphine...
Harmor seems to be developed for pluck sounds ;) It has not only a "pluck" knob for instant pluck-sounds, it has as subharmonic mixer, unison mixer with spread/detune, extra harmonic content ("blur"), a harmonizer module... and this typical effects like delay, reverb,...
Toxic is if I remember correctly (I owned the first versions too) from a Russian developer ("Maxx Claster") and was later acquired by IL and they made this Toxic Biohizard. It has IMO not this "IL sound" and sounds more digital.
Anyway, for a FM synth I would wait for the new Tone2 neofm.
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4damind wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
4damind wrote:Harmor shines IMO for all kind of pluck and unison sounds, because it's very easy to program (you have a own "pluck" knob so it don't needs some mapping of a filter envelope etc). Not to mention that (IMO all IL synth) having this a bit darker/analog sound.

Such sounds can be created in a very, very short time (it needs a minute or so for this sound). A bit automation of the "pluck" parameter and it gives a very interesting bass/arp sound: Harmor Pluck (not mixed)
That's interesting...

For arps & plucks I would rather have used Toxic than Morphine... I never thought about making these kind of sounds with Morphine...
Harmor seems to be developed for pluck sounds ;) It has not only a "pluck" knob for instant pluck-sounds, it has as subharmonic mixer, unison mixer with spread/detune, extra harmonic content ("blur"), a harmonizer module... and this typical effects like delay, reverb,...
I'll try it out to make plucks with Morphine! :wink:

One thing that Morphine is missing (unfortunately) is a filter section... :(

But external filters can be used, too...
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Uncle E wrote:We have Harmor on a special secret sale (only 4 available) when you enter coupon code "Harmor59":

http://www.jrrshop.com/image-line-harmo ... ad-license
Code doesn't seem to work here. Have they all gone?
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Tricky-Loops wrote: One thing that Morphine is missing (unfortunately) is a filter section... :(

But external filters can be used, too...
Morphine is Afaik not a typical IL synth, it's developed by MaxxClaster. The overall sound is IMO also completely different and I remember about not so good reviews because of the not so good resynthese, the missing (multimode) filter etc.
Harmor is developed by Didier Dambrin (GOL) _the_ IL developer (he is also the brain behind FL)
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FM vs Additive. Hmmm. FM would be easier to use.
Harmor is a beast, but it's so deep that it can kill your creativity at some point. Everything is editable in this synth. You can add endless sources and destinations for modulation. If you are ready to dive into, then that would be the choice. (I got Razor later on and now my Harmor is not in use anymore. However, Harmor is so friendly to CPU and has a fantastic stereo unison and awesome distortion fx)
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4damind wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote: One thing that Morphine is missing (unfortunately) is a filter section... :(

But external filters can be used, too...
Morphine is Afaik not a typical IL synth, it's developed by MaxxClaster. The overall sound is IMO also completely different and I remember about not so good reviews because of the not so good resynthese, the missing (multimode) filter etc.
Harmor is developed by Didier Dambrin (GOL) _the_ IL developer (he is also the brain behind FL)
Sorry, I've mixed up Harmor with Morphine, dunno why. Maybe too less sleep... :help:

Somehow I read "Morphine or Toxic"...

But in this case (if I had to decide) I would prefer Harmor because it has much more features than Toxic, and its resynthese is pretty good (better than in Morphine, to mention it again)!

Anyway, I have Harmor, Morphine and Toxic... :D
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Harmor is a beast, but at same time a beast to program.

Download the demos and try yourself.

Personally, i like Harmor for innovative and creative stuff (samples, images, etc), but as i said, it's difficult to program. Anyway, you can do any sound with this synth.
If you like ease to use, and aliased oscillators (hey, i like it) then go for Toxic.

Good luck and have a nice day :)
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Harmor can do some very edgy sounds which i'm just unable to get even close to with any of my other synths. But programming it means to be purely dependent on one's good luck, the controls are very unusual and the manual seems to be written by Martians. Toxic is more easy to tweak but sounds imo very dated, sorta like Vanguard.
You may think you can fly ... but you better not try
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Programming of Harmor remembers sometimes a bit to Absynth. The idea with this envelopes ("state files") is something I seen the first with Absynth but Harmor brings this to another level (similar with Sytrus, IMO some of the best sounding FM synth but where I lost the interest to program it very shortly :D )

If people searching for a LFO.. there is no typical LFO but there are vibrato/speed knobs for this typical usage. For all other stuff there are... envelopes like a LFO envelope :D

Programming of Harmor is IMO not very difficult but it needs a different view.
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4damind wrote:
If people searching for a LFO.. there is no typical LFO but there are vibrato/speed knobs for this typical usage. For all other stuff there are... envelopes like a LFO envelope :D

Programming of Harmor is IMO not very difficult but it needs a different view.
There are LFOs. And one of the most flexible in the market.
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Igro wrote:There are LFOs. And one of the most flexible in the market.
Of course but if people searching for a typical LFO section like in most other synth they will not find it. They must look to the "articulator" section where it looks more like a special type of a envelope instead of a LFO.
The same if people searching for a simple saw wave.. the idea with "Timbres" and harmonics is a bit different but not much complicated because for typical stuff there are a lot state files.
This can be a bit confusing if people coming from other synth but on the other side, some stuff is very easy (like this pluck feature).
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One great feature of Harmor is the "Drag and Drop" of waveforms. So you can simply drag a wave file, for example of a certain saw wave, to the OSC, drop it there and it will be loaded... :)
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cron wrote:
Uncle E wrote:We have Harmor on a special secret sale (only 4 available) when you enter coupon code "Harmor59":

http://www.jrrshop.com/image-line-harmo ... ad-license
Code doesn't seem to work here. Have they all gone?
Try it again now.
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Harmor IMO is the best from IL. It has wonderful Resynthesis engine. If nothing, just load a sample and play with it! Yes, it needs time because it is hard in the beginning. Just study the manual 3 times and you are done!

Sytrus comes second.
I like all Gol's synths in fact. :-)

I don't like Maxx's synths especially Morphine. I have uninstalled it and don't want to see it again! the update to 64bit has two main bugs wasn't there in the old version! (modulation amount's number doesn't show and noise list gone!). Oh, and it sounds so thin that made my ears crying!
It made me ignore all Maxx's synths. Toxic might be better than Morphine (sure it is better! anything is better than Morphine!).

Download the demos and decide. You still have some days till Luftrum come back to KVR and PM you ;-)
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Uncle E wrote:
cron wrote:
Uncle E wrote:We have Harmor on a special secret sale (only 4 available) when you enter coupon code "Harmor59":

http://www.jrrshop.com/image-line-harmo ... ad-license
Code doesn't seem to work here. Have they all gone?
Try it again now.
Works, ordered. Great deal. Many thanks :)
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