KVR Audio

muLperi · Post by **muLperi** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:48 am

This is the only AIRA I am interested at the moment... hope to get more info of these virtual instruments soon and how they actually work.

Just wondering very much why there's no roland's pitch/mod-stick since that is what you need if you want to play something serious. Even though I still prefer the wheels.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:53 am

muLperi wrote:Just wondering very much why there's no roland's pitch/mod-stick since that is what you need if you want to play something serious. Even though I still prefer the wheels.

The keyboard isn't velocity sensitive either according to the Roland web page, so you'd probably want to play it via a different keyboard controller and just use the System-1 for knob-twiddling.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:04 am

If the audio engine code isn't running native then it's an external DSP card with a VST GUI front end. That's no different from things like UAD cards, complete with the disadvantages that brings.

What's more, those with shorter memories might not realize Roland already did exactly this, with their VariOS system, over a decade ago. Except back then they actually thought they could ignore major DAW plugin formats.

Whether or not it's native? That needs clarification. But it would be wise to assume it's not the case before declaring Roland is any more in the VST business than companies like Access are.

I think we can expect some native synth VST's from Roland right after they do an analogue synth reissue

But I hope they'll prove that wrong some day..

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:17 pm

I don't understand this confusion. They said they are making VSTs. VST is a specific file format and plug-in standard which by definition loads into VST compatible DAWs. Whether or not the System-1 will act as a dongle when the roland VSTs are loaded into a DAW is a fair question, though not something I would assume. But I'm not sure how there is confusion about whether these will be VSTs when they said they are making VSTs. And why would the description say that the System-1 could control or even load the soft synths if all it could do is load them and not control them while they are loaded somewhere else?

Anyways we finally got an excellent 101 (TAL) after all these years and NOW Roland decides to do one? Too late Roland! Not many of your classics left to do accurately.

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:38 pm

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/02/r ... need-know/

They are VSTs. You can run them on your computer, but it's unclear whether they can run independently of the System-1 hardware. You can load one of them on the System-1 hardware and run it independently of a computer, though.

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:42 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:I don't understand this confusion. They said they are making VSTs. VST is a specific file format and plug-in standard which by definition loads into VST compatible DAWs. Whether or not the System-1 will act as a dongle when the roland VSTs are loaded into a DAW is a fair question, though not something I would assume. But I'm not sure how there is confusion about whether these will be VSTs when they said they are making VSTs. And why would the description say that the System-1 could control or even load the soft synths if all it could do is load them and not control them while they are loaded somewhere else?

Anyways we finally got an excellent 101 (TAL) after all these years and NOW Roland decides to do one? Too late Roland! Not many of your classics left to do accurately.

Between TAL and XILS, some great Roland analogs are already done. D50 is the digital Roland synth to do like Korg's Legacy and some digital FX like the DEP and SRV.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:47 pm

electro wrote: Between TAL and XILS, some great Roland analogs are already done. D50 is the digital Roland synth to do like Korg's Legacy and some digital FX like the DEP and SRV.

Arturia Jupiter-8V is also a very accurate model of the original (although some people don't like it). The only thing I have against it is the control panel, where the editing part is too small to allow programming comfortably at modern resolutions.
And we have the modules in DIVA too (including the digital oscillators). Roland took too much time, and I'm afraid they are too late to the party.
But the MKS line has some gems that could be interesting, if they do them properly. I would be interested in a complete MKS rack, for example. And the D-50 (maybe complemented with the JD-990) too, of course.

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:48 pm

meh, theres already great sh, tb, tr emus that are free or dirt cheap. show me a D50 or JD or JV and i might be interested

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:50 pm

And let's not forget the modulars (System-100 and, specially, System-700).

THAT would be something.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:54 pm

foosnark wrote:http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/02/r ... need-know/

They are VSTs. You can run them on your computer, but it's unclear whether they can run independently of the System-1 hardware. You can load one of them on the System-1 hardware and run it independently of a computer, though.

So, Roland, which has a history of not following through on software releases, decided it would be a good idea to compile, optimise and test the DSP code across two desktop OSs and a myriad different processor and memory combos as well as whatever is inside the System-1 (which may well be something like an ARM or a Sharc), rather than simply compile and test once to use the System-1 hardware exclusively and simply route audio into the DAW? Yep, that makes total sense from an engineering perspective before you even consider the anti-piracy advantages to Roland of only having the serious business done inside the hardware unit itself rather than treating it as a dumb dongle.

Now they may well take MIDI through the VSTi interface and return audio instead of expecting the user to hook up via a DAW audio channel, but it seems more likely to me that any hardcore synth stuff is going to happen inside the System-1 itself, much like a Virus TI, as someone said earlier.

Personally, I don't see this as a problem but people thinking this will give them N channels of SH-101 may want to wait and see before committing.

Blue-eyed Blonde Ape · Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:12 pm

Go Roland! bring me 303 ITB!

hahh

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:21 pm

layzer wrote:meh, theres already great sh, tb, tr emus that are free or dirt cheap. show me a D50 or JD or JV and i might be interested

really? hardware ones with all the controls at hand?

No.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:21 pm

electro wrote: Between TAL and XILS, some great Roland analogs are already done.

Really? what Roland emu have xils done?

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:23 pm

Kriminal wrote:
electro wrote: Between TAL and XILS, some great Roland analogs are already done.

Really? what Roland emu have xils done?

The Vocoder

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:24 pm

i heard a chap say in one of the videos that the controls on the HW unit would turn on/off to match the plugin/out modules...given the 'limited' controls on the unit, im guessing that they will be limited to such things as the SH101 (as they already stated) and such things as the Juno's that have limited controls too...

i think ppl are too concerned with the 'vst' side of things, these are performance instrumewnts, hands on stuff to be messed around with, not moused over

Roland now into VSTi development, beginning with SH-101