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ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:14 pm

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Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:30 pm

They are great. Sometimes I like even more then VAlhallaVintageVerb. But if I were to buy one, it would probably VVV because it's cheap and has lots of algorithms. I also tend to like the 24 the best. But the control of the individual early reflections in the 48 is pretty cool.

xalama qo · Post by **xalama qo** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:08 pm

Interesting to hear EAReverb mentioned. The reviews praise it for its warmth and transparency, or naturalness, but it retails at 129 Euro which is kinda pricey. I never thought of it a a Lex-a-like reverb though. Doesn't a Lexicon sorta stamp it's sound on everything, ie it's not particularly natural sounding, but obviously sounds good?
Acon Verberate seems to be the new kid on the block at half the price of Phoenix, IIRC.

xalama qo · Post by **xalama qo** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:18 pm

I have to add that when I play with the demos of the RCs I really like using them. RC 24 is also my preferred one, and I find the interfaces and features to be intuitive and just right. It's good to hear mostly positive and enthusiastic responses about them. Nobody has said they're cheap imitations, NI jumping on the reverb wagon (with Softube). Looks like they've done their homework.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:21 pm

I'm starting to think Acon Digital Verberate is great for more "realistic" algorithmic reverb spaces, while Valhalla Vintage Verb is great for capturing the classic huge and unrealistic reverb sounds of the 80s. I think Verberate excels at small reverb spaces while VVV excels in creating huge spaces, so in a way they both compliment each other nicely.

Between the two it's only gonna set a person back roughly $150 USD, which in my opinion is a bargain and would be the two plugins I would recommend for beginners. They are both pretty easy to use and sound great on both virtual instruments and recordings alike!

I've heard the NI Reverbs though, and they do sound good but if i had to choose just two i would probably go the ValhallaDSP and Acon Digital route myself.

Eddie TX · Post by **Eddie TX** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:47 pm

Check the current sale price on the Acon verb at JRR or Audio Deluxe. Nice!

Cheers,
Eddie

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:40 pm

There is a problem with these reverbs for most people, most people got them as part of their Komplete package, and because of this they don't have to 'pen*s compensate' for their purchases by talking about them all the time, or telling everybody how great they are.

Got rid of every reverb i owned except for these, never looked back, they have been excellent.

larm · Post by **larm** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:18 pm

bungle wrote:There is a problem with these reverbs for most people, most people got them as part of their Komplete package, and because of this they don't have to 'pen*s compensate' for their purchases by talking about them all the time, or telling everybody how great they are.

Got rid of every reverb i owned except for these, never looked back, they have been excellent.

Got to agree with this, the utimate I got was just packed with so much stuff you forgot about half of it.

And there are so many patches/synths etc. in the package that already contain (built-in) reverbs that is good enough for the job. So I tried them and thought: "well I've already got so many reverb options and the synths + reaktor fx and guitar rig are way more expressive/fun to play with and this are taking up space in my insert plugin selector list" ... so yeah I just forgot about them. Might have to revisit them again, heh

Echoes in the Attic · Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:14 pm

Good points above. I've been feelings guilty about having too many reverbs when really what you get with complete ultimate is plenty. The Rc's are great for the nice vintage style, but I actually find them fairly realistic too on many things. There's no plate algorithm but for real spaces and plates there's Reflektor. I also have B2 which i do love and can't sell anyways. So it's safe to say I don't need anything else, but I still have aether, VVV, reverberate and valhallashimmer. There's alwyays an excuse not to sell one but it's always to do with technical features, not in practice use. Reverberate has two IRs and very light cup and all that other cool stuff, true stereo etc. VVV has all those algorithms and very light on cup. Shimmer has the pitch shifting! Too many, but what to sell. First world problems. I know.

Rah · Post by **Rah** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:33 pm

Really goood

xalama qo · Post by **xalama qo** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:12 am

@VORT3X, how would you compare Acon vs ValhallaRoom? VRoom is intended more for realistic spaces too, and IMO it excels. It does seem to lack the transparency of Acon's Verberate, but you can dial in the HP filter to sculpt the verb tone quite effectively.
I don't know if EQ'ing an imperfect reverb to taste is the same as having a verb that just sounds right to begin with due to its architecture?

I like to use different reverbs on different tracks, either built-in synth ones or insert effects, but I think finding the right 'master' reverb to bring all the elements into the same space, albeit subtly, is pretty much essential. And I'm not talking about drenching everything in slop...I tend to make stuff too dry, so I'm having fun learning how to fatten sounds with reverb but without going so far as to put it in a space. The space/distance part comes later. Old dog learning new tricks!

PFozz · Post by **PFozz** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:43 am

Thanks for mentioning EAReverb, xalama qo!

ImNotDedYet · Post by **ImNotDedYet** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:53 am

Eddie TX wrote:Check the current sale price on the Acon verb at JRR or Audio Deluxe. Nice!

Cheers,
Eddie

Think it's even cheaper from JRR if you buy from the emailed newsletter. They took another $11 off or something, so it came to $64 or so. (doesn't show up til checkout)

xalama qo · Post by **xalama qo** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:42 pm

PFozz wrote:
xalama qo wrote:Interesting to hear EAReverb mentioned. The reviews praise it for its warmth and transparency, or naturalness, but it retails at 129 Euro which is kinda pricey.
Thanks for mentioning EAReverb!
Actually, there is a "group buy" currently running for it (the price could drop to €64 for a limited time depending on the number of subscribers, the current "final price" being €89).

You will find more information about it here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5897778
(Should you have any questions related to this, please feel free to post them in this thread).

For information, special sales are quite rare at eaReckon...
...the last time EAReverb was "on sale" was more than 2 years ago

Otherwise, depending on your needs, EAReverb SE can be an affordable alternative to EAReverb (it is €39).

Thanks for popping in PFozz! You certainly are a versatile dev! Good work on the CZ synth GUI, it looks like you...well, you know what I mean

Liero · Post by **Liero** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:50 am

PFozz wrote: Otherwise, depending on your needs, EAReverb SE can be an affordable alternative to EAReverb (it is €39).

EAReverb SE is an amazing value deal in my opinion. The sound is identical to the full version. I own the full EAReverb and mostly use SE for its ease of use. You also get SE for free if you buy the full version.

I own Lex LXP bundle, EAReverb, RC24 and Verberate and feel like I have all bases covered.

Now that the hype has died down, how do the NI reverbs hold up?