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chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:24 pm

cryophonik wrote:
Numanoid wrote:
cryophonik wrote:they were pulling out because it was a bad situation
Sounds like cry babies to me, maybe they was told they had to share bathroom in the hotels
...because bad situations only happen to cry babies, right? I'll just leave it at this. There are countless ways that a "bad situation" could be interpreted and, in the case of bands pulling out of tours, it could very well be problems with the contract, payment, funding, or legal issues, all of which could be legitimate reasons for a band to pull out of a tour. But, AFAIK, none of us know the reason that VNV Nation is pulling out of the tour at this point, and it's also entirely within the realm of possibility that they are pulling out because of personality conflicts, which I agree would be an immature and irresponsible thing to do to your fans. Knowing what I know about VNV and the respect they have for their fans, I am skeptical that it's that simple.

you are absolutely correct.

however...respect for their fans would have included a real explanation as to why they pulled out (which may or may not be forthcoming).

and knowing what i know about vnv (and ronan in particular) i wouldnt be surprised AT ALL if it were exactly as simple as that.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:29 pm

cryophonik wrote:it could very well be problems with the contract, payment, funding, or legal issues, all of which could be legitimate reasons for a band to pull out of a tour.

I think bands owe it to the fans to soldier on, at least a bit

A bad situation that is not health related, needs some explanation

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:36 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:
cryophonik wrote:
Numanoid wrote:
cryophonik wrote:they were pulling out because it was a bad situation
Sounds like cry babies to me, maybe they was told they had to share bathroom in the hotels
...because bad situations only happen to cry babies, right? I'll just leave it at this. There are countless ways that a "bad situation" could be interpreted and, in the case of bands pulling out of tours, it could very well be problems with the contract, payment, funding, or legal issues, all of which could be legitimate reasons for a band to pull out of a tour. But, AFAIK, none of us know the reason that VNV Nation is pulling out of the tour at this point, and it's also entirely within the realm of possibility that they are pulling out because of personality conflicts, which I agree would be an immature and irresponsible thing to do to your fans. Knowing what I know about VNV and the respect they have for their fans, I am skeptical that it's that simple.
you are absolutely correct.

however...respect for their fans would have included a real explanation as to why they pulled out (which may or may not be forthcoming).

and knowing what i know about vnv (and ronan in particular) i wouldnt be surprised AT ALL if it were exactly as simple as that.

I'm still skeptical that it has anything to do with personality conflicts. I just re-read their FB post and the statement "the band and crew deliberated over how to proceed before unanimously coming to the very reluctant decision that the appropriate course of action would be to pull out of the tour" tells me that this isn't just Ronan being a diva - it's a decision agreed upon by everybody and I would think that their management team and legal advisers blessed the decision. Yeah, hopefully, a real explanation is forthcoming for the sake of those people who already bought their tickets. And, just to be clear, I am not a ticket holder for this tour, just a fan of all the acts (except Youth Code, who I'm not familiar with). I think it sucks for fans, but I think too many people are just jumping to conclusions. If it's a legal issue, that could explain the vague language in their announcement, but, again, it's all speculation. I do hope that VNV makes amends somehow, maybe by offering ticket holders a free/discounted ticket for their next tour or something.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:51 pm

it could all be settled with a simple explanation from vnv. thats the problem everyone is having.

yes...if its a legal thing they may be prevented from giving details...but they could say "its a legal thing...we cant comment".

as it stands ronan being a diva is precisely how it comes off. i freely concede that its entirely possible that vnvs choice to pull out is completely justified.

however...i do not concede that they gave the crew any say...or that its not just ronan. could it be a unanimous decision? sure...its just as (if not more so) likely that it wasnt. even if it was unanimous...they didnt say what the problem was so it could still just be ronan being a diva...and the rest backing him up.

a bad situation thats just "going to get worse" certainly doesnt sound like legal issues, contract issues, payment issues or funding issues. it sounds like personal issues.

i could be wrong...but thats what it sounds like, and more people think thats what it sounds like than dont.

only time will tell.

and just to be clear...i dont have a dog in this fight. i didnt get tickets. though to be honest...my order of wanting to see bands was haujobb, vnv, sp...i dont know anything about youth code. you could put sp at the top if they only play really old stuff (which they wont).

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:08 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:though to be honest...my order of wanting to see bands was haujobb, vnv, sp...i dont know anything about youth code. you could put sp at the top if they only play really old stuff (which they wont).

Ditto. Same goes for VNV, though. I've seen them twice and both were great shows, but their last two albums don't do much for me.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:48 pm

cryophonik wrote:
chaosWyrM wrote:though to be honest...my order of wanting to see bands was haujobb, vnv, sp...i dont know anything about youth code. you could put sp at the top if they only play really old stuff (which they wont).
Ditto. Same goes for VNV, though. I've seen them twice and both were great shows, but their last two albums don't do much for me.

yeah, im with you that as well.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:33 pm

just a quick update from haujobb from their fb page:

So, there´s a lot of confusion going on about the upcoming tour in North America and our crowdfunding campaign we´re working on right now. Let´s put some facts together:

1. The participation of Haujobb on this tour does not depend on the success of the crowdfunding campaign. This campaign will be one with a "flexible goal". It cannot fail. Even if we make only 10€, we will come over there somehow.

2. This all is not the fault of the organizators/bookers of this tour. We made the deal and get a certain fee per show. We calculated a lot of possible and impossible solutions for transportation/travelling/accommodation. This is now the last step, because we decided that we need some additional financial support. It came "last minute", but the reason is simple: we didn´t really want to do crowdfunding. It´s always been our last option and we´re pulling that card now.

3. Here´s the funny part: yesterday VNV Nation cancelled the tour, right before we decided to make our announcement. There´s no correlation between these 2 situations. But, we love to read conspiracy theories. Go ahead!

4. The crowdfunding campaign will offer CDs/downloads of our upcoming album (to be released in spring 2015), remix offers, and more. It´s not a "donation only" thing. (to those who think they have to pay even more than just the tickets to see us live)

SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:37 pm

It had to be the green M&Ms.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:22 am

It's probably about $$$. Management for Skinny Puppy are probably holding on to 50% or more of the revenue. I don't know, but the usual reason for stupid moves is money. Black Sabbath not using their original drummer was due to Sharon Osbourne realizing he had no music rights per say. The bass player wrote the lyrics, guitar player wrote most of the songs, and Ozzy gets points for vocals, a drummer who only drums can be squeezed out of profits.... With a tour like this Skinny Puppy's management likely are telling the other bands to suck it, with short sets and short percentages. Makes Sense that the other big name (VNV) would pull out if they were feeling shorted.

emaugust · Post by **emaugust** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:19 pm

While I have no line on any of this, I think a reasonable assumption can be made that VNV dropping off the tour did mess up Haujobb's travel situation. I would fully assume they meant to share a bus.

UltimateOutsider · Post by **UltimateOutsider** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:21 pm

SODDI wrote:It had to be the green M&Ms.

DLR is replacing VNV on the tour.

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:43 pm

Well. It's now the "Eye vs. Spy" tour, and Front Line Assembly has replaced VNV Nation.

Hot damn.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:56 pm

Yup, FLA to the rescue

http://www.metropolis-records.com/tour/?id=185

I see they got a show scheduled in SLC, maybe I'm prejudiced but I expect there will pickets outside the concert hall there

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:58 pm

foosnark wrote:Well. It's now the "Eye vs. Spy" tour, and Front Line Assembly has replaced VNV Nation.

Hot damn.

Hmmmmm, I may need to find tix for the SF show now. That just seems like a better lineup anyway - SP and Leeb together again.

It would be totally killer if FLA could pull in some of the Gothic meets Klassik stuff that they've been doing, but I'm sure that ain't gonna happen.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:04 pm

I dig FLA in their Intermix guise, in particular this track

The Alliance of Sound tour is falling apart. (skinny puppy, vnv, haujobb, and youth code)