KVR Audio

TheKid · Post by **TheKid** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:21 am

Two companies that need to go for good for their intrusive and customer-unfriendly way of doing business.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:00 am

i googled yesterday a bit and some people say it's malware, others it is just some quarreling with both companies' codes etc.

i think this is VERY SERIOUS, cause as tone2 seems to be the ONLY company with their products not working with ilok tone2 should state WHAT is causing this in their code? other companies which i trust like u-he etc. have NOT this problem and i dont think every other company not interfering with ILOK is contracted with ilok to cause no problem and tone2 is the silent saviour or the silent spy or whatever..... i dont trust both atm

something in their code must interfere with something from ilok, and i wanna know what. this is serious as it can shut down your computer CLEAN! i will try to investigate further but we shouldnt just say "ok" but want an explanation. this issue seems to be a long termed issue and no one cares to give their customers the explanation. if some company is hiding something mabybe it isnt even LEGAL for german laws.

i never thought i would have probs with tone2 products as i use them a long time now, man gladiator is so wonderful and nemesis, wooo love it.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:24 am

I do have all Tone2 plugins and also got an iLok 2 key for ProTools 11 since a while now.

So far i did not have a plugin ptotected by iLok but currently was checking the trial/demo versions of the Lexicon reverbs including the MPX Native Reverb.

In Live 9.2 64-bit at Windows 7 64-bit i just added the MOX Reverb to Saurus 2 and so far i did not notice problems.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:32 am

Caine, just contact Tone2. There's really no point in discussing their copy protection policies. Unless you refrain from solving your problem but rather discuss about their copy protection. I didn't see you try any of the points suggested in this thread yet.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:39 am

chk071 wrote:Caine, just contact Tone2. There's really no point in discussing their copy protection policies. Unless you refrain from solving your problem but rather discuss about their copy protection. I didn't see you try any of the points suggested in this thread yet.

contacted yesterday and also posted on their forums

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well i wanted to also make this announced, i think members should be pointed out to that and not forget it!
there is some bad coding or whatever with those products and i think this should be cleared.

db3 · Post by **db3** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:44 am

I take it this issue is PC only? Tone2 and iLok play nicely together on my mac.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:03 am

Caine123 wrote:
chk071 wrote:Caine, just contact Tone2. There's really no point in discussing their copy protection policies. Unless you refrain from solving your problem but rather discuss about their copy protection. I didn't see you try any of the points suggested in this thread yet.
contacted yesterday and also posted on their forums !

well i wanted to also make this announced, i think members should be pointed out to that and not forget it!
there is some bad coding or whatever with those products and i think this should be cleared.

Good.

And please don't forget that this is a 2 sided problem. E.g. on my computer, the combination of Tone2 synths and eLicenser makes no problems at all, so it's gotta be some kind of conflict between Tone2's technology and Pace's. Doesn't even have to be the copy protection. Who knows really. And if Markus writes that also Skype, other plugins or floppy drives can be a problem with iLok, then i would at least believe that for now. I don't think he would just claim things for fun, or because he wants to sweep things under the carpet.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:12 am

chk071 wrote:
Caine123 wrote:
chk071 wrote:Caine, just contact Tone2. There's really no point in discussing their copy protection policies. Unless you refrain from solving your problem but rather discuss about their copy protection. I didn't see you try any of the points suggested in this thread yet.
contacted yesterday and also posted on their forums !

well i wanted to also make this announced, i think members should be pointed out to that and not forget it!
there is some bad coding or whatever with those products and i think this should be cleared.
Good. And please don't forget that this is a 2 sided problem. E.g. on my computer, the combination of Tone2 synths and eLicenser makes no problems at all, so it's gotta be some kind of conflict between Tone2's technology and Pace's. Doesn't even have to be the copy protection. Who knows really. And if Markus writes that also Skype, other plugins or floppy drives can be a problem with iLok, then i would at least believe that for now. I don't think he would just claim things for fun, or because he wants to sweep things under the carpet.

no i didnt mean to put Markus on a table

. but to see that there are SO-CALLED fixes, i wanna know what those are exactly? and if without copy protection their plugins work, only THEY can LEGALLY try withoiut copy protection ....

. so something in their codes/protection has to interfere with PACE, and this needs to be examined and i dunno if tone2 are really open to tell

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:17 am

As i said... could easily be something on PACE's side as well. If it causes blue screens on some systems, interferes with Skype, other plugins or floppy drives, whatever that means. I took a look at the PACE site some days ago to check what kind of copy protection schemes they're offering, and they have different schemes available, from "light" copy protection to really harsh ones. Could well be that it takes internvetions into your system. Imagine you have 2 antivirus programs, and let them run simulataneously, they can also interfere with each other, stopping the other one to work, or crashing your computer. Anyway, all theory, you contacted Tone2 which is the best move.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:21 pm

I'm a little bit confused now. Did you try the iLok fixes Markus posted on the Tone2 forum now or not?

HcDoom · Post by **HcDoom** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:33 pm

Using some Tone2 products and iLok2 on Win 8 64bit, no problems what so ever.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:13 pm

chk071 wrote:I'm a little bit confused now. Did you try the iLok fixes Markus posted on the Tone2 forum now or not?

Not yet as im not in the Studio yet.

1. If the fix works i still wanna know what exactly the fix does. And why the normal installers dont have these fixes implemented. There must be something why they do it.

2. There seems to be no fix for nemesis.

KingTuck · Post by **KingTuck** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:00 pm

robotmonkey wrote:
KingTuck wrote:There's nothing unusual about the Tone2 copy protection, it's just very well implemented. The audio watermark is bullshit and doesn't stand the test of any reasonable processing. It's simply there (along with the license info popup in the software) to let legitimate users know that distributing their software illegally is a true offence. Not everything is easy in the world, a full set of cracked Tone2 software could hugely damage the small company.:
Nope. Teksonik is completely right. Tone 2 has a long and really bad history of doing some really intrusive and crappy things with their products. How is it exactly normal when their CP conflicts with other products? Only PACE is as bad as that. They seem to be so fixated on piracy that they probably would make your computer explode if they think your might be using non-legit stuff. Their products are pretty much like malware and they are known to use some shady methods. It's a long history.

So yes, I would never trust a company like Tone 2 and that's why I have never installed any of the Tone2 products, even the free ones. And I will never buy a a Tone 2 product either. Wonder how much this kind of reputation will cost them in the long run compared to piracy.

No, he isn't (and neither are you). There's only ever been one accusation against Tone2. It was from a scene cracking group called AiR near the end of their time in the scene/on their last legs. You didn't read, or didn't understand, my post. The majority of accusations from AiR (goddamnit are we going over this stuff again? this has been known for eons. how do these rumors not die...) were bullshit. The only reality to the copy protection accusations are that if you have a pirated Tone2 license file in the same folder as a Tone2 product that has that key blacklisted, it will delete the file. There's nothing morally wrong with that. Only other accusations have been sketchy whine fests from lone users. Tone2 have sold thousands and thousands of licenses, lone voices are indicative of legitimacy.

They aren't very fixated on piracy, or else they would have implemented C/R. Their CP implementation has remained unchanged for like....five years or so. It's never been cracked. Only piracy releases of their software have been licenses bought with stolen credit cards. A C/R implementation would make impossible that one area of weakness in offline copy protection. If they were very paranoid they'd take that up.

I'm sorry but you're very wrong on all this. You've built up an idea that what you think has been proven and accepted, but it's reasonably neither. There's no proof, or reasonable reason to believe those things. Saying their "software is pretty much malware" is simply stupid. It is an absolutely idiotic thing to think. Reread my posts and think about this a bit more.

KingTuck · Post by **KingTuck** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:02 pm

TheKid wrote:Two companies that need to go for good for their intrusive and customer-unfriendly way of doing business.

Tone2 support is terrific, their software is some of the most stable. The only point of issue can reasonably be things pertaining to pricing and whatnot, luckily you can just choose not to buy something you don't think is worth what's asked.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:14 pm

Something i accidentally came by when reading the Warmverb manual:

We would like to thank the beta testing team and everyone at the KVR forums for
their input (well some of it at least).

Something which happened here must have made a permanent impression there.

Tbh, i can quite understand it. The way some companies (teh "evil" ones, not teh "good" ones, those get a permanent butt kiss around here coz "good"

) receive their just deserts sometimes here from "experts of the audio secene" is really almost ashaming. Some people can just view things from their viewpoint, and don't have any sense for why companies take measures to protect their business side. After all it doesn't matter anyway what people who only can see their side of the coin think, as protecting the software from piracy will be in the customers best interest anyway, because the company and therefor their products will continue to exist.

I think Tone2 are great guys btw. Even got a personal welcome message (not automated) from them when i bought the Electra2 upgrade, never got that from another company.

Plus they were super quick when shooting them a message about the license transfer.

FIXED (iLOK + Tone2 Products = crashes + SHUT DOWN) FIXED thx TONE2 !!!!!