Arturia Synth Collection vs. Diva Tal U-NO etc.? sound, gui etc.

[Ingonator]

I like Arturia MAtrix-12V whie i agree that it lacks a bit at the low end and teh built-in FXs are maybe not that great.
Anyway i usually prefer using external FXs and there are also a few options to improve the low end of a plugin (e.g. by an EQ or a ABss enhancment plugin).

Currently i use Matrix 12V (and also some other synths) mostly with those effect plugins: Waves OneKnob Phatter (Bass enhancement), ValghallaÜberMod (Delay + Chorus), ValhallaVintageVerb, Lexicon MPX Native Reverb, ArtsAcostic BigRock Phaser

FWIW i also got Diva and like it but it could not replace a Matrix-12 yet (especially the multimode filer and modulation options). The Uhbie filter in Diva also does not seem to be a replacement sound wise (besides the missing filter modes compared to a Matrix-12) as it seems to be based on and/or inspired by a SEM filter.

I also got Arturia Jupiter 8V and Obreheim SEM V and Diva seems to be a closer emulation there (while for the SEM only the Uhbie filter seems to really fit there in terms of an emulation).

Also got Arturia Propphet V and there does not seem to be a better native Prophet 5 emulation yet (ow end could be again improved with e.g. Waves OneKnob Phatter). Besides that Prophet V also includes a Prophet VS emulation and a hybrid synth that combines Prophet 5 and VS modules connecte din a single synth which is quite unique.


Last but not leat TAL U-NO seems to be too limited to be directly compared with Arturia V-Collection 4. The closest there is maybe Jupiter 8V. Anyway if you want a dedicated Juno emulation Arturia does not have one yet.

[electro]

V4 collection is well rounded and Arturia's most recent synths raised the value of the V collection. SEMV, SolinaV, VoxV, WurlitzerV, Matrix 12V are great synths.

Memorymoon ME80, NI Monark, Sonic Projects OP-X, U-he Diva are better options than the older synths in the V collection. Timewarp2600 also has a reputation of being a closer ARP emulation.

I liked Mini well enough, then I got ACE, which isn't really a mini emu, but it covered similar ground and has better filter, then came Monark and Mini never gets loaded.

Most of these things are subjective...Monark leaves me cold, I'd sooner use MiniV or Minimonsta

Was that meant as a joke?

[BasariStudios]

Was that meant as a joke?

I hope it was...also someone else somewhere sad Diva leaves them cold.

[ghettosynth]

I liked Mini well enough, then I got ACE, which isn't really a mini emu, but it covered similar ground and has better filter, then came Monark and Mini never gets loaded.

Most of these things are subjective...Monark leaves me cold, I'd sooner use MiniV or Minimonsta

I can't comment on statements like "leaves me cold", there's nothing there, that's just subjective impression. However, the statement that Monark has more accurate filters than either MiniV or Minimonsta, isn't subjective.

[BasariStudios]

The words Subjective and Opinion are the worst thing that happened to humanity
since the great Deluge...add Democracy to it too. Mostly on the West everything is
based on Opinion and Subjective (in simple words a Lie) but nothing on Fact.
Yes its great to have an opinion...but...you saying you like the taste of CRAP even
though is bad for you can not be taken as Opinion or Subjective (freedom of expression)
but only a FACT can exist in there which is ,,you are not entitled to an opinion in this case''
only based on the fact that you are out of your mind. I learnt one thing in my life,
if 1 million people say white and 1 says black then f^%k him, he has no right to an opinion
and subjectivity...those stupid freedoms brought the world to the state that is in today.
Yes, sorry, i was of topic and on topic at the same time. Stop worrying about peoples feelings,
we are not a bunch of old ladies here...lets be real a little.

[zerocrossing]

I think the Arturia synths are a mixed bag. I'm not really concerned about accuracy of emulation, but I find CS80v and 2600v to be good. I put the 2600v up next to the ARP style filter in my ATC-X and if fared well, so I'm not sure why there's a lot of hating on that one. I tried Matrix-12 and it seemed fine... I guess that's my take on all of them. I like the way Analog Lab works. SEMv is decent too. Of course good music could be made on all of them. I got them super cheap because of other Arturia products I owned, but I don't think I'd buy them unless they were cheap. Some of them, CS80v in particular, needs a new UI like nobody's business.

[4damind]

Btw. has somebody compared the Jupiter 8v2 in the latest version (2.7?) with Diva and/or reprogrammed some patches to compare them?

[ghettosynth]

The words Subjective and Opinion are the worst thing that happened to humanity
since the great Deluge...add Democracy to it too. Mostly on the West everything is
based on Opinion and Subjective (in simple words a Lie) but nothing on Fact.
Yes its great to have an opinion...but...you saying you like the taste of CRAP even
though is bad for you can not be taken as Opinion or Subjective (freedom of expression)
but only a FACT can exist in there which is ,,you are not entitled to an opinion in this case''
only based on the fact that you are out of your mind. I learnt one thing in my life,
if 1 million people say white and 1 says black then f^%k him, he has no right to an opinion
and subjectivity...those stupid freedoms brought the world to the state that is in today.
Yes, sorry, i was of topic and on topic at the same time. Stop worrying about peoples feelings,
we are not a bunch of old ladies here...lets be real a little.

Sorry man, I just get tired of the debates. I'm providing facts for readers. Monark has more accurate filters (where accuracy is with respect to modeling the analog counterpart) than any other Mini clone at the moment. That's a fact, if that's important to you, then you know what to do, if it isn't, then you don't have to go that route.

When someone says that they prefer the sound of the less accurate filter then I don't really know how to address that. Are they comparing presets? Are they using it in a context where the filter accuracy isn't really important or they actually prefer the sound of the less accurate filter? Are the included effects making the difference? Is inherent bias against Reaktor the source of the preference? I really don't know and don't give a rats ass. If you prefer old technology when it comes to modeling then it is basically saying something about your taste, not that that's wrong, I just have nothing to say to it. Just like some people prefer the sound of 12, or for some reason 8 bit sampling.

If you're trying to get close to the sound of analog, then old technology doesn't do it as well, if you disagree with that, then get your ears checked. That doesn't mean that analog is the best choice for your music, it might not be, only you can decide that.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

The words Subjective and Opinion are the worst thing that happened to humanity
since the great Deluge...add Democracy to it too. Mostly on the West everything is
based on Opinion and Subjective (in simple words a Lie) but nothing on Fact.
Yes its great to have an opinion...but...you saying you like the taste of CRAP even
though is bad for you can not be taken as Opinion or Subjective (freedom of expression)
but only a FACT can exist in there which is ,,you are not entitled to an opinion in this case''
only based on the fact that you are out of your mind. I learnt one thing in my life,
if 1 million people say white and 1 says black then f^%k him, he has no right to an opinion
and subjectivity...those stupid freedoms brought the world to the state that is in today.
Yes, sorry, i was of topic and on topic at the same time. Stop worrying about peoples feelings,
we are not a bunch of old ladies here...lets be real a little.

[fluffy_little_something]

Are there still bugs in Arturia synths? Many of them have been around for such a long time and there have been lots of updates, would be odd and frankly inexcusable if there were still known bugs in them...

I like the things Arturia add beyond the originals' scope, but the small user interfaces and reviews mentioning bugs have kept me from getting anything Arturia.

Whether or not a Jupiter 8 emulation sounds exactly like the original, I couldn't tell anyway as I never played the original. Nor would I expect it to, after all, it is just software. It should sound fairly similar and I am sure it does.

[chk071]

Software always has bugs. It's rather a question whether they have a major Impact on usage or not. Major issues usually will get nailed out, while more rare stuff is less likely to be fixed.

[chk071]

Edit: double post

[Numanoid]

i got Diva, OBX Pro and Tal UNO but i always was viewing at arturias vsts as well with the massive presetlist etc. but i always had to vomit about the small guis.

There was a break in Arturias output of plugs between ca 2007-2011

The plugs that came out after the break like SEM V and MatrixV have got nice big interfaces

The plugs before, like JupiterV and CS80V has got rather painfully small GUI's

I think trying the Analog Lab demo will give a good overview of the soundquality of the plugs, as it comes with all the patches of the plugs (ca 5000)

I think SEM V is really good. MatrixV is really good, but CPU heavy

[fluffy_little_something]

Software always has bugs. It's rather a question whether they have a major Impact on usage or not. Major issues usually will get nailed out, while more rare stuff is less likely to be fixed.

That's a sad attitude somehow. And one good reason to go hardware. If hardware is defect, you may even get your money back.

[fluffy_little_something]

i got Diva, OBX Pro and Tal UNO but i always was viewing at arturias vsts as well with the massive presetlist etc. but i always had to vomit about the small guis.

There was a break in Arturias output of plugs between ca 2007-2011

The plugs that came out after the break like SEM V and MatrixV have got nice big interfaces

The plugs before, like JupiterV and CS80V has got rather painfully small GUI's

I think trying the Analog Lab demo will give a good overview of the soundquality of the plugs, as it comes with all the patches of the plugs (ca 5000)

I think SEM V is really good. MatrixV is really good, but CPU heavy

If I remember correctly someone said that the Matrix 12 emulation is also an older one, but they could not launch it earlier for legal reasons. Something like that...