Tassman 4?

[Numanoid]

Tassman 4 should really be called Tassman 2004

Because v1 got released around 2001, v2 around 2002, and v3 around 2003, and then v4 in 2004

The logical conclusion would be a new updated Tassman each year, but sadly AAS more or less stopped the clock in 2004...

[felis]

I've had Tassman since version 2 - about 14 years I think.

I love the sound quality and presets, but never spent enough time with it to get
good at making stuff from scratch.
Probably just me though because I'm the same way with Reaktor.

Anyways - I just got the modelling collection, and the individual synths
included seem very much easier to work with.
I like them a lot already more than Tassman.
Tassman could be great with some updating, and if it happens,
I'll be ready for it by having 4.

[Michael L]

Don't miss these extra patches

Thank you so much for posting the new Tassman download page. There are many new presets for the FX half of Tassman!

BTW if you are learning Tassman, the manual and tutorials are excellent:

Four examples are included in the tutorial and every patch presented in the tutorial has been pre-constructed for you. You can find the corresponding files in the Tutorial folder of the Tassman browser. Chapters 5, 3 and 4 of this manual describe the Tassman Browser, Builder and Player respectively. Chapter 6, a reference guide, contains a description of every module included in the Tassman. The toolbar of the application is described in Chapter 7. Finally, Builder and Player menus and shortcuts are listed in Chapter 8.

NOTE: AAS omitted per-patch modulation from their v2 instrument upgrades, and they may do the same with Tassman 5. So, be sure to keep Tassman 4 (or buy it now) to keep enjoying the mods in your older presets!

Speaking of nicely-modulated older presets, Himalaya has his 633-preset Tassman Toolkit for only 20 EUR! http://www.electric-himalaya.com/tassman4.html

[dayjob]

I'm still waiting for Tassman 5 and a GUI that doesn't make me want to rip my eyes out of their sockets.

makes me want to stab my computer.

they keep offering this deal every holiday and people keep buying it but it's an ass hair away from 2017 and hasn't had an update in 12+ years. i can't believe they ever sell it full price.

[ATS]

pretty sure that is the next plug to be updated since they did all the others now.

[dayjob]

pretty sure that is the next plug to be updated since they did all the others now.

not holding my breath. some of those plug ins have been updated a few times. tassman is arguably a bigger task to update.

[ATS]

pretty sure that is the next plug to be updated since they did all the others now.

not holding my breath. some of those plug ins have been updated a few times. tassman is arguably a bigger task to update.

I hear you. I am going by what I heard that AAS said they are updating all their plugs and now that is the only one left...

[dayjob]

pretty sure that is the next plug to be updated since they did all the others now.

not holding my breath. some of those plug ins have been updated a few times. tassman is arguably a bigger task to update.

I hear you. I am going by what I heard that AAS said they are updating all their plugs and now that is the only one left...

over the years i've had a few conversations via twitter/email and the reply was always something like "it won't be any time soon but it's something we're working on" which to me just makes it sounds really low priority. obviously they need to keep the lights on and pay the rent etc.. but when the modeling stuff came out in ableton i figured maybe they made a few dollars there and things would move faster.. and perhaps they did.. just on other products.

none of us are in the room when they're making these decisions and aren't aware of whatever fiscal and man power realities they're dealing with.. so i'm just guessing they felt the tassman users could wait.. are there any tassman users still? it's probably a pretty small user base at this point.. but with all things modular being very marketable these days it seems like a good time to come out w/a user friendly update to tassman.

[mladi]

From 2014..

We’re writing to let you know that we’ve just released a Tassman 4 update. You’ll find what has changed as well as a link to the latest installers at the end of this message.

*** This update is recommended for all users on all platforms. ***

This update introduces a 64-bit bridge that brings Tassman 4 into 64-bit Audio Units and VST host sequencers on Mac OS X. You’ll find a readme file along with the installers, please refer to it for further details.

Best regards,
the AAS support team

Additions
* Added 64-bit bridge for Audio Units and VST hosts – Mac OS X only.

Fixes
* Fixed on/off loading bug in Reverb module;
* Fixed lin/exp loading bug in envelope modules.

[felis]

Yes - you've got to give them that.
They keep Tassman updated so that it runs on current computer OS's and at 64 bits.
I have it running on Win 10.
Some of the other stuff I've got is history now because of such issues.

I really should dig a little deeper into Tassman now.
I gave it a half-hearted attempt many years ago, but never really followed through with it.
It deserves more attention from me.

[Nielzie]

Yes - you've got to give them that.
They keep Tassman updated so that it runs on current computer OS's and at 64 bits.
I have it running on Win 10.
Some of the other stuff I've got is history now because of such issues.

I really should dig a little deeper into Tassman now.
I gave it a half-hearted attempt many years ago, but never really followed through with it.
It deserves more attention from me.

You're in for a very enjoyable journey. This thing sounds wonderful to my ears and if you're into the deep modular side of synths then it should be endless fun. I'm also still amazed at how analogish it sounds against such low cpu consumption.

Please AAS give it some further serious development love soon

[exiannyc]

A lot of big advances in physical modeling were made at CCRMA, at Stanford University, about 20 years ago.

I am not sure how many have happened since.

There is an amazing (free!) course over at Kadenze https://www.kadenze.com/courses/physics ... stems/info on physical modeling, taught by Perry Cook and Julius Smith, two of the leading developers of PM technology. I point this out partly because the (also free!) PM models which the course focuses on, which are included in the computer language ChucK (which is also free! and there's a Kadenze course on that too!), were developed 20 years ago, and are still being taught now.

The models are wonderful. But they still seem to be more or less state of the art. What isn't state of the art is interface, GUI, and control and modulation opportunities. The recent AAS updates do well with the first three - but in my opinion they leave out modulation to a disappointing degree.

I'm not sure how many leaps and bounds beyond those 20 year old models have happened in the field of PM since then. Look at the STR-1 model included in the Korg Kronos system. It doesn't seem to have changed since the days of OASYS, which is now more than 10 years old. (But at least every parameter in the STR-1 model can be modulated. If the Kronos included a lot of additional physical models, I'd consider spending thousands of dollars on it... but it doesn't.)

So, I am wondering if the nice people at AAS are not quite sure that they can provide enough improvements or enhancements to make a new version of Tassman seem legitimate. Might that be part of the issue?

[Daags]

I hear you. I am going by what I heard that AAS said they are updating all their plugs and now that is the only one left...

sure, but those updates - on their 'legacy' plugins - were pretty much aesthetic, and maybe a few compatibility tweaks. on the basis of that, and/or mentioning a tassman update in the context of those updates, people should probably bring their expectations of the Tassman update closer to earth. Sure, an update will be welcome, but chances are it's not going to be a game changer.

if you're not already doing it in Tassman 4, don't just leave it on ice until 5 comes out and hope that does it for you.

I'm just grateful they're keeping it working on modern systems.

[pottering]

IMO the updates were not only aesthetic, I think they either removed optimizations or added more internal oversampling to the newer versions of their plugins, because the CPU usage raised considerably.

Tassman 4 is way lighter than the others, especially Chromaphone.

[edit: by "optimizations" I mean those CPU-saving optimizations with worse sound]

[Daags]

IMO the updates were not only aesthetic, I think they either removed optimizations or added more internal oversampling to the newer versions of their plugins, because the CPU usage raised considerably.

Tassman 4 is way lighter than the others, especially Chromaphone.

I didn't say they were only aesthetic. And you can think what you like.