KVR Audio

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:08 am

from the v4 blurb:

"Patterns can be built-up on the fly by overdubbing MIDI onto clips while they play in a loop."

LOOP RECORDING ! -- this is what thousands of fl studio users (see the fl studio survey on looptalk) have been asking for for ages, but is always "impossible".

but ableton is going to do it in the first release of midi !

goodbye fl studio

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:20 am

MidiSwede wrote:Honestly! What's the big deal?

I guess I'll have to wait for the new demo. Sitting here messing with the Live 3 demo I can't imagine wasting my money on it. Give me time. Maybe I'll start liking it when I can demo 4.

Rob

It just depends on how you work I guess, I usually use a few audio snips, a few full tracks of audio, and a few midi and soft synth tracks.
I've thrown a bunch of false starts, loops that went nowhere into Live, had Live match tempos, change pitch, and BAM! something akin to music.

When I've played live with Logic, it's been OK, but if I want to change it up a bit... well none of the other DAWs are set up for that, Live is, you can fire clips of audio like you can mute and unmute midi in a DAW, but it's set up for playing like an instrument.
say you want to add an extra few nars to the end of a song because the crowd is liking it, you can very quickly in Live.
Add to that the ability to change presets on your guitar rig, and host Reactor..........

Personally I don't see how it's not a big deal?

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:30 am

maxxxter wrote:Yep, but we have to keep in mind taht Live is mainly envisioned as a PERFORMANCE tool, not so much a serious music production tool even though it can do a fairly decent job in that domain to.
Most of the audio data in Live is being "acidised" (or abeltonised) in that, kind-of-granular, time streching way, so that alone has a major impact one the sound quality of the utilised audio. In plain english, audio file played back from within, for example, Nuendo is always going to sound better that what's coming out of Live. OK, these differences are subtle, but I think still quite important to a top-notch big-money producer.
Nevertheles, it a f**king great beast that could revolutionise the way we percive the posiibilites of electronic live performing. Thumbs up!

that said you can always choose to not use the warp engine in Live and there you have it, the whole of the Live features without time stretching, and 24/192
sounds good to me. I don't even use it live, I only use it as a studio. the session view is my sampler and on the fly recorder, also my remixer and mpc like player, and the arranger mode is the daw and micro editor, the clip automation combined with the track automation finish it off, it really didn't need anything else but this upgrade is phenominal.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:32 am

machinesworking wrote:
MidiSwede wrote:Honestly! What's the big deal?

I guess I'll have to wait for the new demo. Sitting here messing with the Live 3 demo I can't imagine wasting my money on it. Give me time. Maybe I'll start liking it when I can demo 4.

Rob

I guess I'd have to ask if you don't find Live that big of a deal then what is it about your current setup that you find a big deal?

maxxxter · Post by **maxxxter** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:38 am

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MidiSwede · Post by **MidiSwede** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:56 am

OK, the more I hear you guys talk the more I believe I need to demo Live4. Live3 is the only demo available now.

I've just scratched the surface of it. I have never found other GUI layouts this disorienting (er...that might be the Guinness

). It has no intuitive feel as compared to other software I use or have used. (Sonar, Cubase, Reason, EnergyXT, AkSys, MESA, Audacity, a ton of VSTs, etc.) Yes, this is the first time I've tried a Live demo though I've been composing / producing / recording for many years.

Like I said, give me time. I'm sure the more I learn inside it the more I'll like it.

Rob

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:19 am

Woo... MIDI effects!

Looks like I might have a new platform to port my MFX plugin suite to!

And if the MIDI bussing architecture is sweet enough, that might just finally pry me away from SONAR...

- m

lucille · Post by **lucille** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:15 am

ok--I'm withholding judgement on 4.0 until I use it--
but I am passing judgement on the development pace
of the daw industry. In less than half the time
Cakewalk took to implement a real mixer (SONAR 3.0)--
ableton has had 2 major groundbreaking releases.
Props? A Recycle .1 increment and a passel of fx, most mediocre (scream and rv7000 are good, vocoder/eq
is laughable). Also, no clunky legacy graphics sprinkled throughout, like the archeological dig that
is Sonar fx. Glad to see someone is working on their
day job.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:27 am

yep, the staff at ableton is their greatest feature by far, and Live is the kind of app that you can basicly do anything you want with it it's just a matter of time and though you might be able to label any daw that way with Live no matter how long it took for you to do what you wanted it would take forever and a day longer in any other daw or acid or combination of any other daw and acid. would be nice to see some G5 laptops come out about right now cause I'll definitely be having christmas in july.

drez · Post by **drez** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:05 am

Finally...my search doth end. I've been a Live user for a while now rewired with Reason, and I have to say, this version 4 is going to crush. This will pretty much be my graceland. Often, I've been writing music by playing unsequenced right into Live from Reason and mangling the audio within Live, but now I will be able to sequence right from Live! WOOHOO! All of the low CPU modules in Reason racked up for Live to control!

That Simpler module looks AWESOME for on the fly possibilities! Superfast sampling.

What's cool about the outboard midi is that you can assign all of your Lighting or Video cues via a clip and scenes and you would have an incredibly automated live show. Then you could mangle those in real time. The new audio routing features look really really cool. I wonder if you can do merges and things like that (ala Reason Audio Spiders).

What would be perfect is if you could do "Clip Freezing" where you did all of your Midi work and then froze it so that you could just play back the audio and then unfreeze that clip for editing. CPU saver.

As for the Propellerheads taking forever between releases, I don't care. I keep figuring out new ways to use it, so I'm happy with what it has. The spiders opened up a whole new world of texture programming and massive amounts of layering and automation integration.

Yeah, I'd have to agree with most in this thread....goodbye to pretty much every other sequencer package. All Live needs is a "high end" time stretch mode to allow for smoother corrections and I think it would be unstoppable.

I'm just stunned.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:09 am

stale bread wrote:yep, the staff at ableton is their greatest feature by far, and Live is the kind of app that you can basicly do anything you want with it it's just a matter of time and though you might be able to label any daw that way with Live no matter how long it took for you to do what you wanted it would take forever and a day longer in any other daw or acid or combination of any other daw and acid.

Yeah that's the point, Live does away with Acid, integrates a bunch of features for playing your DAW like an instrument, and now does the basic things other DAWs do. If it all works, and I don't doubt it will, then they have my vote.

Stale bread, I wouldn't expect any G5 laptops for at least six months, Apple has a pretty routine cycle of hardware offerings.

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:55 am

Ive been interested in Live since version 1 but Im not the type of guy to just layer someone elses pre-fabricated loops over one another and call it my music. I like to play my own lines and progressions.

Now that Live is offering VSTi support of course its a different ballgame. Is there much scope in live to say load a beat and then rearrange the components to create my own beat ala Dr.Rex or Intakt? Obviously now I could just load up Intakt but I would like to know how scope there is to manipulate your audio files in Live.

gracias

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:08 am

soulkraka wrote:Ive been interested in Live since version 1 but Im not the type of guy to just layer someone elses pre-fabricated loops over one another and call it my music.

Well one thing I found Live really useful for was taking old loops of songs I'd started but never finished, plus some clips of audio files from Logic, and writing an entirely new composition. Never even thought about using canned loops!

Hell if NI's site ever comes back up I'll have Intact as well, and I do plan on using it in Live!

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:39 am

canned loops

I've been using live since version 1.0, play bass, guitar,live drums,and turntables into live, mangle to taste, then I just got fl studio, running trilogy, atmosphere, loungelizard, as well as the other stuff into Live...+ vocals. Live is a godsend for real.

jah1234 · Post by **jah1234** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:54 am

I'm stunned. Never thought the Live 4 upgrade would include this much. If it's not crippled with bugs, this is gonna be the only music program I'll use. Contrary to MidiSwede's comment about the GUI of Live (unintuitive??!?!?!) - I think Live is the smartest music program ever made.

Cubase, Logic, Sonar, Tracktion, FLStudio, Orion, Podium, EnergyXT - goodbye

Get drool cups ready for... Live 4