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mhog wrote:I read somewhere that The Dark Side Of The Moon album or CD is the most globally successful music by any band ever. Does this success include countries like Japan, Russia, etc?
It's not for the lyrics. It's for the music. We focus on music.
"Do goody good bullshit" does not translate well at all to Japanese. :(

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festeringheap wrote:
mhog wrote:I read somewhere that The Dark Side Of The Moon album or CD is the most globally successful music by any band ever. Does this success include countries like Japan, Russia, etc?
It's not for the lyrics. It's for the music. We focus on music.
"Do goody good bullshit" does not translate well at all to Japanese. :(
Well, we generally focus on the music (universal). If we tried to listen to the lyrics it would be rather weirding...

For example, when Gilmour sings:

"don't give me that do goody good bullshit"
We (Italians) understand:
"Dante, mi dai due gurkel? Bonjour!"
("Dante, will you give me two pickles? Bonjour!")
When he sings: "money, so they say"
We understand "Marì, son le sei" ("Mary, it's six o'clock)
etc. etc.

Other examples:

In "Wuthering Heights", when Kate Bush sings:
"Out on the wiley... Heathcliff, it's me, Cathy, come home"
We (Italians) understand:
"Ho le emorroidi... mio zio è caduto con la pompa"
("I have haemorrhoids... my uncle fell with the hose")

"Talkin' bout my ggeneration" (the Who)
We understand: "Cochi, un bel Martini liscio" ("Dude, a good Martini straight up, please")

"You take me higher" (U2) = "puzzi d'aglio" ("you smell like garlic")

and so on...

NOBODY understand English lyrics outside English speaking countries, trust me... :roll:

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two words

"Plastic Bertrand"

At the time it came out I didn't understand a single word apart from "I am the king of the divan" and at the time friends and my French teacher saying it loosely translated to "I am a plane" etc etc. Also hearing what sounded like "wham bam my splash cat" - poor kitty

Still can't understand the lyrics, not that for a single nanosecond do I think they'd be life changing, but when it comes on the radio, guaratee you that I crank it up from the usual 7-8 volume setting to 20+.

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He sings in French. I (Italian) understand like: "bambam cosa fai, gigi molla la polpetta, nonna ancora beve il whiskey" ("boom, what are you doing, Lewis? Give me that meatloaf, grandma is still drinking whiskey" etc. :roll:

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mhog wrote:He sings in French. I (Italian) understand like: "bambam cosa fai, gigi molla la polpetta, nonna ancora beve il whiskey" ("boom, what are you doing, Lewis? Give me that meatloaf, grandma is still drinking whiskey" etc. :roll:
lol @ grandma is still drinking whiskey :lol:

especially with the "oooh oooh oooh ooooh"
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emcee wrote:
mhog wrote:He sings in French. I (Italian) understand like: "bambam cosa fai, gigi molla la polpetta, nonna ancora beve il whiskey" ("boom, what are you doing, Lewis? Give me that meatloaf, grandma is still drinking whiskey" etc. :roll:
lol @ grandma is still drinking whiskey :lol:

especially with the "oooh oooh oooh ooooh"
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Any blasphemous rumors
But I think that God's
Got a sick sense of humor
And when I die
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mhog wrote:
festeringheap wrote:
mhog wrote:I read somewhere that The Dark Side Of The Moon album or CD is the most globally successful music by any band ever. Does this success include countries like Japan, Russia, etc?
It's not for the lyrics. It's for the music. We focus on music.
"Do goody good bullshit" does not translate well at all to Japanese. :(
Well, we generally focus on the music (universal). If we tried to listen to the lyrics it would be rather weirding...

For example, when Gilmour sings:

"don't give me that do goody good bullshit"
We (Italians) understand:
"Dante, mi dai due gurkel? Bonjour!"
("Dante, will you give me two pickles? Bonjour!")
When he sings: "money, so they say"
We understand "Marì, son le sei" ("Mary, it's six o'clock)
etc. etc.

Other examples:

In "Wuthering Heights", when Kate Bush sings:
"Out on the wiley... Heathcliff, it's me, Cathy, come home"
We (Italians) understand:
"Ho le emorroidi... mio zio è caduto con la pompa"
("I have haemorrhoids... my uncle fell with the hose")

"Talkin' bout my ggeneration" (the Who)
We understand: "Cochi, un bel Martini liscio" ("Dude, a good Martini straight up, please")

"You take me higher" (U2) = "puzzi d'aglio" ("you smell like garlic")

and so on...

NOBODY understand English lyrics outside English speaking countries, trust me... :roll:

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Sure does explain the internet :hihi:

Honestly, being a native english speaker and "learning" the language and knowing it's subtitles are and always will be separate.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger, just saying.

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Music can make even English sound well, like another language to us who have it as our native tongue. The amount of misheard lyrics - there's another thread in itself.

Bee Gee's - Four legged woman.. four legged women to me..
Police - 'Coz when those elephants escape you, The large one ties you up and rapes you..
Starship - My pony plays the mamba, listens to the radio
Irene Cara - (What a Feeling) - Take your pants off ....and make it happen.

Back on subject.. I don't have a lot of non-western music in my CD collection, or now on my phone/tablet/cloud library, but do listen to some crossover tracks like Gangnam Style (don't judge me!), mundian to bach ke, music from Youssou N'Dour, and if there's nothing on TV on the weekend, sometimes leave it on PopAsia if it's on. But then again, a lot of Asian pop is really trying hard to sound more American than some Americans ;)

http://www.sbs.com.au/popasia/
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emcee wrote:Music can make even English sound well, like another language to us who have it as our native tongue. The amount of misheard lyrics - there's another thread in itself.

Bee Gee's - Four legged woman.. four legged women to me..
Police - 'Coz when those elephants escape you, The large one ties you up and rapes you..
Starship - My pony plays the mamba, listens to the radio
Irene Cara - (What a Feeling) - Take your pants off ....and make it happen.
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emcee wrote: But then again, a lot of Asian pop is really trying hard to sound more American than some Americans ;)
Pop, rap, hip-hop... even rock, maybe. These styles are not representative of each country's culture. You need to listen to their folk (ethnic) music to understand what's about and what are their roots. And instrumental music. When you leave words out of the picture, music will then really stands as an universal language, where each one still shows his/her roots, but the language is understood by anyone else.

Pop and derivatives are just a sub-product of the american colonized urban sub-culture.
Fernando (FMR)

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Guess it's time for this one then:

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sjm wrote:Guess it's time for this one then:
This guy here is hilarious, he is one of the most popular Italian singer. This is a 1973 song, that's why he keeps claiming he was the one who invented hip-hop and rap, long before the black Americans. Total ignorance, of course, yet large numbers of people here believe it haha. Rather funny in his sort of statements, though.

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fmr wrote:
emcee wrote: But then again, a lot of Asian pop is really trying hard to sound more American than some Americans ;)
Pop, rap, hip-hop... even rock, maybe. These styles are not representative of each country's culture. You need to listen to their folk (ethnic) music to understand what's about and what are their roots. And instrumental music. When you leave words out of the picture, music will then really stands as an universal language, where each one still shows his/her roots, but the language is understood by anyone else.

Pop and derivatives are just a sub-product of the american colonized urban sub-culture.
I don't agree. Otherwise, the only U.S. music to listen to if you want to understand America would be southern "country" and nothing else. Music styles (pop, rock, jazz, blues, trance, etc.) are international. It is true that 99% of songs around the world come from U.S. (because of post war cultural domination). This however does not mean pop-rock songs from other countries are sub-products or derivative. They are infact as original as the U.S. products. Only, if they are not famous in America first (after being translated into American language), they are totally ignored by the rest of the world. It is so called "American Imperialism". See "Gangamgan style" (or whatever it was called), one of the million shitty songs around the world. Once it became popular in America, the rest of the world started to sing it and the singer had even to apologize on American TVs for his anti-americanism :dog:

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Of course music is universal. Have you not heard of the Spanish boy band, Juan direction?

#sorry
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