Will we ever see vsts of Korg Z1 or Yamaha VL?

[Numanoid]

Korg Z1 is an analog modeling synth.

Isn't it a bit like passing by the river looking for water wanting that emulated ?

I mean why not just select one of many VST's that already has been emulated based on old analog gear

[Gamma-UT]

Korg Z1 is an analog modeling synth.

Isn't it a bit like passing by the river looking for water wanting that emulated ?

I mean why not just select one of many VST's that already has been emulated based on old analog gear

The Z1 was designed to do physical modelling, as was the VL1. Both had analogue modelling tacked on because their architectures could handle it and the VA idea was taking off at the time. I doubt the OP is looking at either for analogue modelling.

[aMUSEd]

Anyway, although I realize Yamaha's implementation is usually considered much deeper, I don't personally find much difference in quality, realism or playability (including using a WX5 wind controller) in eg sax and trumpet voices between the z1 and vl 70. I have Patchman voices on both synths. Maybe I need to refine the controller parameters...

No we're just talking about 2 different things. I think they both have great sound quality, realism and playability, but the VL really does have many so more params to edit (and also more than in software physically modelled instruments) giving in principle much greater control over the sound so it is definitely much deeper as a synth even if much of that functionality is harder to tap into due to the interface.

[Sampleconstruct]

I still have a Z1 here in my studio and occasionally fire it up to jam with it, the x/y-pad is priceless for all sorts of expressive real time modulation, or playing filter melodies or harmonics, good stuff.

[Numanoid]

Like the x/y pad on the Korg nanopad ?

[Dasheesh]

wait a minute, I always thought the Z1 was an additive synth. hmmmmm

[EvilDragon]

Nooooope!

[Tony Ostinato]

i've asked for a vl70 vsti for over a decade , heres the resposnses i get from kvr:

nobody knows what it is, nobody knows how to use one, too hard to program. too embarrassing to program because its not as easy to hide bad work as on a analog modeler. so much easier to do another analog, basically copy other peoples work, and release it as your own with a different gui.

i still bring my vl70m to all gigs, theres a subset of sounds that i cant match with my laptop.

do not hold your breath for vsti's of these, or any acoustic modelers besides keyboards because thats all there is or will be.

[aMUSEd]

It has 13 different synthesis types, one of which is a very simple additive model which is basically used to emulate a drawbar organ (but can do more), but it also has several physical models, FM synthesis (well phase modulation really) and VA. One of the most versatile, capable and expressive synths ever made.

[Ingonator]

wait a minute, I always thought the Z1 was an additive synth. hmmmmm

Maybe you mean the Kawai K5000?


FWIW i had a Korg Prophecy back in 2004...
More or less it was the smaller and monophonic version of the Z1.

[fmr]

Korg Z1 is an analog modeling synth.

Isn't it a bit like passing by the river looking for water wanting that emulated ?

I mean why not just select one of many VST's that already has been emulated based on old analog gear

No, it's not "an analog modeling synth". It's a physical modeling synth, which has several models:

Standard Oscillator: A standard virtual analog oscillator, this oscillator generates the standard waveforms typically used by an analog synthesizer such as sawtooth waveforms, pulse waveforms, and triangle waveforms. Wave shaping is available to add various harmonic characteristics to the generated sound.

Comb Filter: This oscillator creates pitched sound from noise or an impulse. It can create a wide variety of sounds—not only noisy sounds, but also sounds ranging from synth-bass to strings.

VPM (Variable Phase Modulation): Korg's own first version of phase modulation synthesis, producing digital timbres similar to the phase modulation synthesis (marketed as frequency modulation synthesis) made famous by Yamaha's DX line, Synclavier, and their successors.

Ring Modulation: This oscillator simulates ring modulation, a popular feature of analog synthesizers

Cross Modulation: Modeling frequency modulation (FM) between two analog oscillators. See also VPM above.

Oscillator Sync: This oscillator simulates hard oscillator sync, a popular feature of analog synthesizers.

Organ Model: A drawbar organ emulation with 3 stops per oscillator, yielding 6 stops using both oscillators.

Resonance: Noise is filtered through multiple notch filters to produce noisy organ-like timbres.

Electric Piano Model: This oscillator is a physical model of an electric piano such as the Fender Rhodes piano. Programmable parameters for the hammer include hammer force, hammer width, and hammer noise. For the tone generator, programmable parameters include decay time, release time, overtone level, overtone frequency, and overtone decay. For the electronic pickup, programmable parameters include pickup position in relation to the tone generator (such as a tine).

Brass Model: This oscillator is a physical model of a lip-reed instrument such as a trombone, trumpet, or tuba. Programmable parameters include Inst, which selects a previously modeled instrument to specify the length and shape of an instrument, Pressure, which changes the force of air being blown into the instrument, Lip, which replicates the tonality changes caused by the shape and tension of the player's lips, and Bell, which modifies the shape of the instrument's bell and creates the relevant tonal changes.

Reed/Wind Model: The reed model is a physical model of a woodwind reed instrument. Programmable parameters include Inst Type (giving you the choice of various physically modeled instruments: HardSax 1, HardSax 2, HardSax 3, SoftSax 1, SoftSax 2, DoubleReed 1, DoubleReed2, Bassoon, Clarinet, Flute 1, Flute 2, PanFlute, Ocarina, Shakuhachi, Harmonica 1, Harmonica 2, and Reed Synth) and programmable reed
characteristics.

Plucked String Model: This oscillator is a physical model of a plucked string instrument such as a violin being played pizzicato or a guitar. Programmable parameters include adjustable attack parameters, damping parameters, decay parameters, string parameters such as string position, string dispersion, harmonics parameters, and various pickup parameters similar to those on the Electric Piano oscillator.

Bowed String Model: The bowed string model is a physical model of the scraping of a bow across a string on a stringed instrument such as the cello. Programmable parameters include bow speed and bow pressure. The bowed string model emulates various elements of a bowed string sound, such as attack harmonics, providing a more detailed sound than a typical sample-based synthesizer would normally be capable of.

Source: Wikipedia.

[fmr]

FWIW i had a Korg Prophecy back in 2004...
More or less it was the smaller and monophonic version of the Z1.

If I remember well, the Prophecy didn't have all the models of the Z1, just the synthesizer ones.
EDIT: Based on the Wikipedia, it seems it had indeed all the models, although those seem to have been "enhanced" for the Korg Z1.

[Kumi_27]

And some monsters like, say, Falcon - aren't they almost there with all the synthesis engines available in them?

[aMUSEd]

Not in terms of physical modelling they aren't.

[fmr]

Not in terms of physical modelling they aren't.

Falcon has Pluck, has an Organ model too, but it hasn't the acoustic instrument models.