Music creates context like language

[VicDiesel]

It seems self evident that langauge influences music influences language ad infinitum.

It doesn't seem that way to me. In music we have themes and such that repeat, either immeidately or after a while. Do stories do anything remotely like it? What's the narrative equivalent of a piece of dance music where everything is repeated 16 times before you make a minor variation of it?

Maybe if you're creative enough there are ways in which music and language are analogous, but not on a level of word=note.

V.

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What's the narrative equivalent of a piece of dance music where everything is repeated 16 times before you make a minor variation of it?

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Not too many E's round your way then Vic?

[Alive In Chernobyl]

It seems self evident that langauge influences music influences language ad infinitum.

It doesn't seem that way to me. In music we have themes and such that repeat, either immeidately or after a while. Do stories do anything remotely like it? What's the narrative equivalent of a piece of dance music where everything is repeated 16 times before you make a minor variation of it?

Maybe if you're creative enough there are ways in which music and language are analogous, but not on a level of word=note.

V.

Maybe you have lost sight of the language. If I say a sentence that the first word is The, and my next sentence does too. Then I spend four pages explaining one idea.

How is this not like classical music? We are not talking dance or rock. Those are not forms of established music. They are still growing and have no set rules yet. Classical has many rules that you can follow and break. This is just like the language.

Listen to a peice of classical music. The repetition in parts is much like the repetition of me using The. It brings other ideas together that are formed by many letters. This is a limited amount of letters that I am repeating. There is very much limit on how I can put them together and you will still understand it.

Music has much small limits than languages. Maybe if you want to compare dance music to a language it is best to compare to Toki Pona Few ideas with many arrangements to mean very different things. You can compare rock music to sign language. Few ideas to say many things with lots of movement

To compare classical language that has had many hundred of years to develop I think you must compare this to music that has had many hundred of years to develop. They become very similiar as each becomes older.

You can compare modern language to modern music too Nuffink stole my thought

[hao nao]

cadences and intervals, spoken and musical

[VicDiesel]

The repetition in parts is much like the repetition of me using The.

I don't think this is alike at all. "The" by itself is meaningless, as meaningless as the note C. When Bernstein wrote "C-F#-G" he made a new combination of notes that hadn't been used before. Like "The cat in the hat": common words strung together in a new way.

Any meaningful analysis of a text has to look at a different level than individual words, just like you can't analyse music from single notes.

Of course this paper *was* concerned with counting words. That's why I didn't find it overly interesting, and not explaining what was going on with the Schoenberg piece is a missed opportunity.

V.

[Alive In Chernobyl]

The repetition in parts is much like the repetition of me using The.

I don't think this is alike at all. "The" by itself is meaningless, as meaningless as the note C. When Bernstein wrote "C-F#-G" he made a new combination of notes that hadn't been used before. Like "The cat in the hat": common words strung together in a new way.

Any meaningful analysis of a text has to look at a different level than individual words, just like you can't analyse music from single notes.

Of course this paper *was* concerned with counting words. That's why I didn't find it overly interesting, and not explaining what was going on with the Schoenberg piece is a missed opportunity.

V.

The cat in the hat is perfect example. Popular literary work where one idea is repeated for the entire peice Only changing on the beat and with a number of measures

[vurt]

cat in the hat is one of my fave books of all time
and im fuckin serious too
dr seuss' works are literary genius i suggest if you have never read them or forgotten them as childrens books you re evaluate them.real eye openers if taken at the right level