harryupbabble wrote:You can't write music, I can't write lyrics. Let's get together and make pop music.
I want to write music, but I can not!
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- KVRAF
- 18023 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
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- 4081 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
This is an extremely good advice. EDM is a genre almost entirely focused on the production. Pick of classic EDM melodies on a piano and you will feel the same. Boring. Repetitive. Uninteresting. But with stacking and in-your-face production what seemed to be boring now seems cool. EDM is 99 percent packaging and fluff and all of that can be learned. You don't need much musical talent to be an EDM artist. You need to work hard on the production part. That's where the major talent lies.BertKoor wrote:Note: I have not listened to any of your tracks. Just going by these lines:You need to work on your production skills.I can not realize the idea from my head [...] My drums are shit, bass lines are shit
Join Groove3/MacProVideo/Sonic Academy. Work on a few courses hard for a few months until you get what they are doing. Then when you understood what they are trying to achieve (there are many different approaches) decide which workflow is the best for you and stick with that.
I can't see why someone can't learn this in a few months time. It's not rocket-science.
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- 2814 posts since 26 Jul, 2015 from Philadelphia
I'm working a lot with design students and to be perfectly honest, understanding that your own stuff sucks is the first big achievement in becoming really good. The rest is really practice. A lot of it. There is this famous research that determined that people who are considered experts in their field have an average of 10,000 hours of practice. So, unless you are really, really talented, 5 years of making music is not enough to get you there. Just keep doing it and don't pressure yourself. This does not happen over night.
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- 824 posts since 5 Oct, 2009 from Portland, OR
EnemyFox, you will not get better if you don't finish tracks. Even if you don't like what you've produced, you'll be able to listen to what you created, identify what you don't like about it, and make improvements in your future efforts, one step at a time.
Ira Glass summarized this very concisely:
Ira Glass summarized this very concisely:
Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through.
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
Are these yours?
I'm not exactly a fan of this genre but I think these demos sound pretty good production-wise.
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- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
play a bicycle pump through a wah pedal into a guitar amp in a tiled bathroom. run that through a gate add kick.EnemyFox wrote:Oh yes, I graduated from music school ... I can play the piano and accordion.thecontrolcentre wrote:Can you play any instruments?
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- 4079 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
Slow down, the problem is that you are not enjoying the trip. You want to get to the end result without walking the long walk.
And you have to finish things, if you don't finish you don't have any progress to meassure your self against.
And you have to finish things, if you don't finish you don't have any progress to meassure your self against.
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- 10729 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
I find, with most ppl who try to get into music making, if all they want to do is sound like 'this artist' they tend to fail. Sounding like some famous act is not easy when you are a total beginner, and its really not a good reason to make music.
You should, imo, make music because you love it and you have ideas you want to express. That doesnt mean you wont or cant sound like other acts, thats impossible, its just not your goal when you start.
You should, imo, make music because you love it and you have ideas you want to express. That doesnt mean you wont or cant sound like other acts, thats impossible, its just not your goal when you start.
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- 3490 posts since 6 Sep, 2007 from France
+1AnX wrote:I find, with most ppl who try to get into music making, if all they want to do is sound like 'this artist' they tend to fail. Sounding like some famous act is not easy when you are a total beginner, and its really not a good reason to make music.
You should, imo, make music because you love it and you have ideas you want to express. That doesnt mean you wont or cant sound like other acts, thats impossible, its just not your goal when you start.
If you try to be the artist you like so you will fail.
You can learn to duplicate, but you can't learn to create.
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- 6113 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America
I second this. As an alternative, use these instruments you're trained on to make the styles of music you've been trained around, while adding some EDM qualities where they might interestingly fit (but don't force it).el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:Maybe your issue is that you just shouldn't be trying to make edmEnemyFox wrote:I can play the piano and accordion.
Rather than forcing yourself into a genre that you clearly feel is not working out for you, perhaps try to play to your strengths
Instead of trying to make a specific genre of music, why not use the formal education you've had, and tweak the results to suit your preferred tastes? You might accidentally create a new genre.
It might also simply be that you aren't comfortable with the tools you are using or not understanding what you're hearing when you seek to replicate something you enjoy. Five years is not a huge amount of time to be expecting yourself to create exactly what's in your head.
Stick with it and keep making stuff, or back off a while so you don't learn to hate what you love.
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- 6113 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America
This is great advice.UltimateOutsider wrote:EnemyFox, you will not get better if you don't finish tracks. Even if you don't like what you've produced, you'll be able to listen to what you created, identify what you don't like about it, and make improvements in your future efforts, one step at a time.
Ira Glass summarized this very concisely:Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through.
- dysamoria.com
my music @ SoundCloud
my music @ SoundCloud
- KVRAF
- 6113 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America
This is also great advice.AnX wrote:I find, with most ppl who try to get into music making, if all they want to do is sound like 'this artist' they tend to fail. Sounding like some famous act is not easy when you are a total beginner, and its really not a good reason to make music.
You should, imo, make music because you love it and you have ideas you want to express. That doesnt mean you wont or cant sound like other acts, thats impossible, its just not your goal when you start.
- dysamoria.com
my music @ SoundCloud
my music @ SoundCloud
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- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
Life is so hard and unfair. Why all the people want to write music cannot? I don't get it. 
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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- KVRist
- 417 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
I get it.murnau wrote:Life is so hard and unfair. Why all the people want to write music cannot? I don't get it.
When you tell them they need to learn music theory (and this will take some time to master) they say it's crap and nobody needs that today - you can do it by ear