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quantum7 wrote:Personally that Vocoloid voice really freaks me out....sounds downright creepy and disturbing....what one would hear on the radio in a dystopian future. :scared:
No doubt about that

But in the end what has it all to do with OP-X Sounds Better ?

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EvilDragon wrote:Nope.
He means anything that won't melt his Core 2 CPU into a blob of glass and a frown.
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electro wrote:Sonic Projects OP-X Pro II with a 10 year old synthesis engine still has better sounds than just about all the newer synths.
http://www.sonicprojects.ch/
Are you the developer? :wink:

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has someone used obxd for a while then upgraded to op-x pro and found it was totally worth it? that's what I'd like to know.

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acYm wrote:has someone used obxd for a while then upgraded to op-x pro and found it was totally worth it? that's what I'd like to know.
this is opening the can of what OBX emu is better can of worms.
the simple answer is they are different. not better than the other.
obxd has great raw oscillators that sound great by themselves.
and a well modeled filter as well.
it lacks extensive mod matrix and other things OPX has,
but not enough to make me "upgrade" or better, use it instead of OBXD.
ymmv

i'v been rediscovering Synth1 lately but i just fired OBXD up and i'm enjoying its great sound all over again :wink:
HW SYNTHS [KORG T2EX - AKAI AX80 - YAMAHA SY77 - ENSONIQ VFX]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]

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well, yeah I mostly meant "upgraded" monetarily, in the sense of going from a free synth to a somewhat costly one.
I only care about the core sound and indeed obxd, to me, delivers some impressive sonics, however, the good thing about this forum is that it's full of people who were playing an actual obx in 85 when I was born, and have a better idea than me which one of the two vst's nails the actual oberheim sound that little bit more convincingly... that's what's I'm wondering about...

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acYm wrote:well, yeah I mostly meant "upgraded" monetarily, in the sense of going from a free synth to a somewhat costly one.
I only care about the core sound and indeed obxd, to me, delivers some impressive sonics, however, the good thing about this forum is that it's full of people who were playing an actual obx in 85 when I was born, and have a better idea than me which one of the two vst's nails the actual oberheim sound that little bit more convincingly... that's what's I'm wondering about...
comparing obxd and opx to a real obx is also opening another can of worms too...
"the infamous soft vs hard war" after a real OBX has been fed into a mixer
processed with mastering plugins i think either soft version gets pretty damn close.
just my opinion however :wink:
HW SYNTHS [KORG T2EX - AKAI AX80 - YAMAHA SY77 - ENSONIQ VFX]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]

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A song I made a while back using only OP-X Pro II w/Battery 3 for the drum track.

https://soundcloud.com/examigan/the-legend-remastered

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quantum7 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
electro wrote:Sonic Projects OP-X Pro II with a 10 year old synthesis engine still has better sounds than just about all the newer synths.
http://www.sonicprojects.ch/
While I used it exclusively for the key sounds in my Howard Jones cover...

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... 0s-squared

and was clearly the best choice for it, sounding better than everything else that's come out since is a bit of a stretch. For one thing, it has a very limited sound pallet. There are tons of sounds that it simply can't make. In short, if I had to rely on this synth for everything I did, I couldn't.

Does it sound better than a "lot" of synths that have come out since? Sure. All? Don't really think I'd go that far.
It's a pretty good remix, but yes, please turn those tambourines down, they distract from the good stuff you did in the song. :) Also the Vocoloid, I would rather hear YOU sing personally. Believe me, I can relate because I cannot sing worth crap also, but I would rather hear a human voice....even if it was less than perfect. Just use some Autotune and do multiple takes and I'm willing to bet that you would sound much more interesting than Vocoloid. :tu: Personally that Vocoloid voice really freaks me out....sounds downright creepy and disturbing....what one would hear on the radio in a dystopian future. :scared:
Oh, one last thing. Before Vocaloid was even a thing and I did all my own singing (1977-2015) know what people said to me?

"Please, get somebody who can sing."

So I'd rather have a robot voice that doesn't crack and is on key than my wretched excuse for a voice.

Like I said, nothing I do will ever be good enough so I'm not going to drive myself crazy over this.

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wagtunes wrote:So I'd rather have a robot voice that doesn't crack and is on key than my wretched excuse for a voice.
I listened to this because it was probably my favorite Howie song and I'm glad I did. You did a great job on the replication of the important sounds. Only thing that detracted from the song for me was the timing of the vocal.
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digitalboytn wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
layzer wrote:
wagtunes wrote: While I used it exclusively for the key sounds in my Howard Jones cover...
Hmmmm,,,,,Theres OP-X sounds in this? all i can hear is a blaring tamborine in this mix :shrug:
NVM not worth my time.
You shouldn't just dismiss their criticisms by assuming that they are attacking you personally...

They are commenting on the music and we can learn a lot by listening to other people's criticism,if we truly open ourselves up to it...

You will learn absolutely nothing by taking a defensive stand and assuming that you are an authority on every musical matter...

The vocals are crap and the tambourine is way too loud in the verses and both of these elements detract from the better parts of the music...

One of the things I have always loved about music is that it speaks for itself....

That's where all of the rhetoric and the BS stops and the truth is revealed :wink:
If "music spoke for itself" we wouldn't need critics to tell us what to like. :wink:

I don't think @wagtunes was "taking a defensive stand" or "assuming he's an authority on every musical matter". He simply replied that it wasn't worth his time to respond.

@wagtunes, I appreciate you posting your track. We all know it takes courage to put ourselves out here for others to judge. Especially when some of those "others" decide to be less than tactful or helpful. And for what it's worth, if you need someone to sing your Howard Jones covers (or '80s tunes in general), just let me know. :wink:

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wagtunes wrote:
digitalboytn wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
layzer wrote:
wagtunes wrote: While I used it exclusively for the key sounds in my Howard Jones cover...
Hmmmm,,,,,Theres OP-X sounds in this? all i can hear is a blaring tamborine in this mix :shrug:
NVM not worth my time.
You shouldn't just dismiss their criticisms by assuming that they are attacking you personally...

They are commenting on the music and we can learn a lot by listening to other people's criticism,if we truly open ourselves up to it...

You will learn absolutely nothing by taking a defensive stand and assuming that you are an authority on every musical matter...

The vocals are crap and the tambourine is way too loud in the verses and both of these elements detract from the better parts of the music...

One of the things I have always loved about music is that it speaks for itself....

That's where all of the rhetoric and the BS stops and the truth is revealed
:wink:
Except it goes way beyond that.

Vocals? Nobody likes Vocaloid vocals around here. I can't do anything about that. I can't sing. Period.

The tambourine? Fine, I go turn that down a couple of DB or EQ it some more and recompile. Takes 5 minutes.

Guess what?

The people here who despise the ground I walk in will find something else to rip apart.

That's why I don't give a crap about what these guys say because in their case, it's out of hatred and it will be never ending.

That's why none of this is worth anymore time than I've already given it which is way too much time.
Exactly because you dont give a crap about anything dont take critisism and being arrogant and beyond others is the reason why you feel like being attacked (and later probably really getting attacked).

Other then that this wouldnt even happen if you wouldnt spit out your music on every possible created topic, why you are doing that? no one wants that no one asks that and it doesnt even relate to the topic. How is your vocaloid tune is even related to this topic???? you like a 5 year old with attention problems shouting "me me me me me all about me!!!" :evil: Where do you see written in such topics "post a song where you used this or another synth"? You see you put your music out of nowhere then you get critisism and you start raging how others are being dicks to you and how its theyr fault. Dont you realise that you who is actually being a dick to others and you ask this by yourself? Behave and treat others like you would want to be treaten by others and you wount get "attacked".

And yes vocaloid sounds creepy, its better to listen to instrumental song then hear that voice :clown: note that if you are told this by all the people it means that it does sound really that bad :)

On to the topic, no OP-X doesnt sound better then all new synths, also this is very personal and subjective topic to discuss, so i think there is no even need to discuss this :)

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I wish OP-X II could sound as great as OB-Xd's oscillators and filter. That would be the perfect synth. Oh and a massive gui upgrade.
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wagtunes wrote:While I used it exclusively for the key sounds in my Howard Jones cover...
Elektronisch wrote:How is your vocaloid tune is even related to this topic????
Are You for real?
Wagtunes put here a song made almost entirely with OP-X, pointing out that it's good synth but it's not "best of all and best for all".
And You're asking, how is it related to the topic? :dog:

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Kumi_27 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:While I used it exclusively for the key sounds in my Howard Jones cover...
Elektronisch wrote:How is your vocaloid tune is even related to this topic????
Are You for real?
Wagtunes put here a song made almost entirely with OP-X, pointing out that it's good synth but it's not "best of all and best for all".
And You're asking, how is it related to the topic? :dog:
Yes i am because this song is not related due to the fact that for a mixdown you still have to use post processing, like eq, reverbs, compression. Even with a trained ear you wouldnt be able to tell a difference between OPX or OBDX or in this case basicly any analog emulation. Other then that there are other sounds that are not comming from synthesizer like claps, tambourine ect and famous vocaloid screaming all over the track.

That said are you serious even debating on that? because i am right here and you cant deny in that unless you will have a really good argument. But you wount.

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