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original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:07 pm

Hi

I should get Live3 tomorrow, and reason 2.5 the day after!

Nice tune.

Flipper.

Rabid · Post by **Rabid** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:16 pm

I love Reason for some things and hate it for others, just like most any other product. It is great for creating drum patterns, using rex files, and monophonic synth patterns. I don’t like it for polyphonic synth parts. I like the synths and samplers that come with Reason, I just do not like the Reason method of creating those parts with the piano roll. It is not so bad if you play in your parts with a MIDI controller.

Maybe the thing I like best is the rack. It keeps everything very organized. Much better than trying to find windows in Project 5. If Propellerheads could steal the pattern bin concept from Project 5 and implement polyphonic pattern management form Orion then it would be the perfect program, JMHO.

Robert

ew · Post by ew » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:41 pm

While I don't use Reason as much as I used to,it's still my preferred way to sketch out a song.
A lot of the music on my site is either all Reason or a very big portion being done in Reason-it's an amazingly powerful tool once you spend some time with it.
ew

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:23 pm

Hi

Logic 5.5 pc will have to work hard to earn its supper now!

Flipper.

Rabid · Post by **Rabid** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:26 pm

Now you need SonicRefill, which to me is still the best Reason Refill available.

Robert

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:34 pm

Thanks Rabid. Sonic Refill and the various volumes of Sonic Refills allow you to add different sound content to the mix.

I was going to say that Reason itself is a very powerful tool, especially for writing. It's very efficient on the processor and it is fun/easy to get a tune going. But, you have to have sound content to work with. While there are a ton of loops out there, for native multisamples in NNXT there are quite a lot from my company, Sonic Reality. Plus they are distributed by Reason's distributor M-Audio so you can get them at any Guitar Center, www.audiomidi.com or any other M-Audio dealer.

Also, AMG makes some great refills, mostly for loops. The key is content. Otherwise you have a rack of virtual gear waiting to be tapped.

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:46 am

Hi

I will check them out squids.

Flipper.

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:05 pm

S_A_P wrote:...it lets you get down to business without vst searching.

VST searching essentially means searching for sounds, right? If so, then working in Reason is the same in this regard. Unless you're saying that because you simply have less choices there's less searching, in which case you could always limit yourself to a small number of options like in Reason.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:19 pm

TeeLangSun wrote:limit yourself to a small number of options like in Reason.

Which is a little like being limited to the small number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy. :-)

You're right, to an extent -- Reason has limits. But (IMO) they're not serious enough to provide obstacles to most musical processes. Most restrictions that do get in the way can be worked around either internally or by Rewiring to a more capable host such as Sonar or Live.

The way I interpreted S_A_P's comment was "when using VSTs, you have to pick instruments first, then find sounds; an extra step" or something along those lines.

Meffy

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:28 pm

Question: I know there are a lot of loyal Reason fans out there, and I'm wondering, many of you also use full-blown hosts like Sonar or Cubase or Logic. These sequencer hosts are extremely powerful--arguably more powerful than any stand-alone soft studios like Reason, Orion, Project 5..etc. You can plug it with any VST or DXI, and the number of choices for those are insanely more vast than an enclosed system like Reason. And as far as I know, anything you can do in these softstudios you can do in a sequencer host--yet you can do far more.

So why are people raving about the softstudios? Aren't they just glorified VST's that generate sound/effcts and have fairly limited sequencing capabilities compared to dedicated sequencing hosts? What's the allure? Because it's cheaper to get a softstudio that can do a whole song from scratch?

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:47 pm

Because very few people use a most of the those features anyway... A good portion of the legacy midi editing options are left over from the hardware synth days, which are gradually being replaced by software... It's about how much time you have to spend, really? Why wade through options you don't use to get to the things you do use? ...which is what most soft studios are really, focused on the basics: Instruments, a sequencer, a mixer and a way to export the files for CD burning or processing... You can dig a hole with a shovel or a backhoe...

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:16 pm

Lunatique wrote:Question: I know there are a lot of loyal Reason fans out there, and I'm wondering, many of you also use full-blown hosts like Sonar or Cubase or Logic. These sequencer hosts are extremely powerful--arguably more powerful than any stand-alone soft studios like Reason, Orion, Project 5..etc. You can plug it with any VST or DXI, and the number of choices for those are insanely more vast than an enclosed system like Reason. And as far as I know, anything you can do in these softstudios you can do in a sequencer host--yet you can do far more.

So why are people raving about the softstudios? Aren't they just glorified VST's that generate sound/effcts and have fairly limited sequencing capabilities compared to dedicated sequencing hosts? What's the allure? Because it's cheaper to get a softstudio that can do a whole song from scratch?

Some things are just much more than the sum of their parts. Reason's one of those things.

impulse one · Post by **impulse one** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:20 pm

So why are people raving about the softstudios? Aren't they just glorified VST's that generate sound/effcts and have fairly limited sequencing capabilities compared to dedicated sequencing hosts? What's the allure? Because it's cheaper to get a softstudio that can do a whole song from scratch?

Well, most of the softstudios can host vst instruments and effects - it's only really Reason that doesn't. They also tend to do pattern-based sequencing instead of the linear approach of cubase/sonar/logic/etc.

Though they don't have as many features, they're often less complicated and many people find them easier to use. Some people use them to build loops, which they then export and sequence in other software.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:40 pm

Lunatique, I use Reason as a rack of softsynths and effects. When I bought it, it was all the sound-generating software I'd be able to afford for a long time, so it had to last me. :-) I've used it with Sonar from the beginning, and had no trouble. Lately I'm learning Live, which works even better with Reason.

Some people are so skilled at Reason that they can compose amazing pieces entirely within that one program. (I'd tip my hat to them, but I haven't got a hat.) I'm not that expert, and besides I prefer a wide-open approach to composing (some people call this "totally lacking in focus" :-D), and like to use Reason, Cameleon, DR-008, FM7, MMV, M-Tron, whatever comes to hand that makes the right kind of sound for the moment.

Reason's a lot of things to different people. Part of what makes it great is that it can be used in more than one way and still do well.

Another part is those cables on the back. Not the swinging bit -- that's cute, though -- the fact that such flexible user CV, gate, and audio routing are possible at all. But everyone who's used Reason knows that, so I'll stop here. :-)

Meffy

default · Post by **default** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:04 am

I have been using Reason since it it's beginning.
If you spend some time and accept the structure of the program, you will be able to create very impressive songs .
the primier site for Reason is Reasonstation,

I am now creating and exporting parts to use in tracktion using reason, to integrate with other audio parts.

the program is stable, well thought out and will be a sourse of amazement for the casual and serious user .
oh and it's really fun to use, it has ruined me for many other programs that have clunky circuitious designs!

Any Reason users out there?