FL Studio 12.9 Beta (inc. Time Signatures and macOS)

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Time signatures are 'just' a GUI thing.

hey, progress!

I won't soon forget that post. It's like a great chasm between a developer of a tool that one would tend to think is a tool for creating music and musicians was revealed.

We understand that it's important. There is no 'chasm'. Only a small proportion of the population can deal with time signatures, comfortably, as FL Studio was prior to 12.9.

Technically, it is just a GUI thing, was my point.

Regards Scott

[sjm]

That would be true if it were technically true, but it's technically false. The denominator in a time signature never was "steps per beat". It wasn't that the label in the UI was wrong. It was a bug in gol's understanding of how time signatures actually work.

[SJ_Digriz]

Time signatures are 'just' a GUI thing.

hey, progress!

I won't soon forget that post. It's like a great chasm between a developer of a tool that one would tend to think is a tool for creating music and musicians was revealed.

We understand that it's important. There is no 'chasm'. Only a small proportion of the population can deal with time signatures, comfortably, as FL Studio was prior to 12.9.

Technically, it is just a GUI thing, was my point.

Regards Scott

Scott, I actually was being sarcastically serious ... I realize what you meant. I was just being a little trollish on a Saturday night. But I think all good sarcasm should have a bit of truth in it

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Time signatures are 'just' a GUI thing.

hey, progress!

I won't soon forget that post. It's like a great chasm between a developer of a tool that one would tend to think is a tool for creating music and musicians was revealed.

We understand that it's important. There is no 'chasm'. Only a small proportion of the population can deal with time signatures, comfortably, as FL Studio was prior to 12.9.

Technically, it is just a GUI thing, was my point.

Regards Scott

And notation then, according to this logic, is just visualizing music. Most people don't read music so one may as well ignore it, that is until there is a market demand enough to make you revisit that.

Technically, it is actually of use to me and to others that would venture into this, to have that 'GUI' working to indicate what is technically true.

EG (and this addresses the assertion that no DAW can deal with 'polyrhythms' as a visual):

5 to 4 within 9.jpg

Signature is 9/8. The grid within the bar shows a 5:2 cross-rhythm; so there are 10 to 8 of the 8ths.
Now, the whole thing here that makes me say 'chasm', is your dismissive language 'just a GUI thing'. I do things which are more involved than this in improvisation. And I am interested to explore it. Yes, that makes me weird if all one cares about is 4/4. And I think if all one cares about is 4/4 they are weird. My point was that you finally gave into the perception 'it is important', but I don't know how 'We understand it's important' agrees with 'It's just a GUI thing'. Because it isn't just that.

And when you first said it I explained that I'd ignored bars and beats for years which indicates one can deal with it with no help from a visual. But I ultimately found it far better to get into what can happen when you DO work with a visual down as far as it will be available, just as a Stravinsky or Zappa will have.

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That would be true if it were technically true, but it's technically false. The denominator in a time signature never was "steps per beat". It wasn't that the label in the UI was wrong. It was a bug in gol's understanding of how time signatures actually work.

THANK YOU

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Now, the whole thing here that makes me say 'chasm', is your dismissive language 'just a GUI thing'. I do things which are more involved than this in improvisation. And I am interested to explore it.

How you perceive my posts, I can't control. But I certainly was not being dismissive. I was attempting to have a light-hearted conversation

However, from a technical perspective, time-signatures are grid spacing (inc. highlighting), metronome downbeat triggering and downbeat indications to plugins that can use it.

The good news is that FL Studio now implements time-signatures in a very flexible way.

Regards Scott

[Jace-BeOS]

I'm glad this has finally been done right. The special pleading and dismissals were really showcasing fanboy behavior we don't really need highlighted

I'm also excited to check out the Mac version. I presume it won't work on Snow Leopard, so I guess I'll be booting to El Capitan (which is an acceptable version for this, yes?).

[memyselfandus]

Thank you Scott!!

[AstroCastro]

Or maybe even just people who enjoy 3/4, a nice waltz, will be more attracted

Which, AFAIK, has always been possible in FL Studio.

Not consistently in the normal way where "3/4" necessarily applies to your idea which _is_ necessarily 3/4, no.
I'm not going to get into the weeds here from your gainsaying my passing snark though. Useless mindfuggery.

Since the day one, way back in Fruity Loops 4, you could work in whatever time signature you want and working with multiple different time signatures, working with polyrhythms and working with irrational time signatures, if you wanted to.

I wonder why the developers deemed it necessary to do this normally, for a sea change. I said I wasn't going to get into the weeds here and I'm not. That's all pretty insanely in some weeds, if you enjoy that shit, good for you.

"No matter what DAW, you simply need to ignore main bars in playlist because not a single DAW will present polyrhythms correctly"
That's some very special pleading and a type of sophistry to make something which isn't normal seem as useful (even normative) as things which are. Sure, you can simply ignore bars and beats altogether and figure some way around it for that matter. "project" is in 4/4 and you're in 9/8. Rather than the actually simple matter of 9 meaning beats and 8 meaning 8th note duration for beats, FFS. That's what 'time signature' refers to, in the world. And that's the very limit of my interest in wasting time with you. They made it work normally, there is no point to this shit at all now.

What a laughing material you are.
Even after I posted screenshots that a global time signature existed in FL Studio since the day one, you keep talking like the only global time signature which existed in FL Studio was 4/4.

You clearly said:

Or maybe even just people who enjoy 3/4, a nice waltz, will be more attracted

obviously not even being aware that you could change global time signature to whatever you want in Fruity Loops/FL Studio since the day one.
You could set global time signature in Fruity Loops 4 10+ years ago and to compose waltz if you wanted to. This wasn't the problem AT ALL.

You obviously and clearly don't even understand what has been "fixed" or implemented in this patch.

THE ONLY THING which is fixed is that playlist's bars match the lengths of clips when having 2 and more different time signatures in your project.
In other DAW's you can have 4/4 and then switch to 5/4 and set global time signature so that bars in playlist match the length of your clips on time signature change.
THIS is what FL Studio didn't have until this patch.

Your pathetic example of polyrhythms in DAW by using ONLY TWO NOTES in piano roll is hilariously stupid.
Seriously, WTF was that?!
It's like talking about Space Shuttle and you passed by and farted and acting like your fart is an argument.

If you have no idea what discussion is about, then stay away from discussion instead of polluting it with your nonsense and negative crap like you always do. Music Theory section if full of your negative posts and you acting like a negative jerk.

You are literally the last person on KVR who should talk about anything rhythm related because for the last 4 years in your music drums are doing nothing but random crash hits and snare rolls.
Crash hit, snare roll after crash hit, snare roll. For 4 effin years.
For you the rhythm in music doesn't even exist because it's more than obvious after hearing your music that you were born without a sense for rhythm which is the primary and 2nd component of music talent.
Sense for rhythm also reflects onto how you are forming melodies and it can be heard from a mile that you don't have any and I'm 100% that you are aware of your lack of talent and that's the thing which is eating you alive and the main reason why you are always negative and acting like a jerk on forums, to protect your ego by being aggressive, while in reality you are nothing but a scared little fella without music talent.

The same way your negative attitude is linear, your music is linear too.

That picture of 2 notes in piano roll as an example of polyrhythms in DAW's summarizes your entire knowledge about rhythms and your lack of sense for rhythm with which you were born.

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I'm glad this has finally been done right. The special pleading and dismissals were really showcasing fanboy behavior we don't really need highlighted

I'm also excited to check out the Mac version. I presume it won't work on Snow Leopard, so I guess I'll be booting to El Capitan (which is an acceptable version for this, yes?).

We are only officially supporting maxOS 10.11 and up. Earlier versions have been reported to work however.

Interesting survey here for you:

FL Studio Mac User Survey

Regards Scott

[EvilDragon]

That link doesn't work.

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That link doesn't work.

Does now

[robotmonkey]

Wow, some of the most spectacular display of fanboyism I have seen in whole day.

Of course FL Studio sucks at working with anything else than 4/4. It especially sucks when signature changes are needed. I just don't understand why some fanboys try claim that black is white, while just a cursory look at Cubase, Ableton, DP, Logic or any other DAW for that matter, just shows them wrong. Is it the case they have never used another DAW?

[murnau]

Wow, some of the most spectacular display of fanboyism I have seen in whole day.

Of course FL Studio sucks at working with anything else than 4/4. It especially sucks when signature changes are needed. I just don't understand why some fanboys try claim that black is white, while just a cursory look at Cubase, Ableton, DP, Logic or any other DAW for that matter, just shows them wrong. Is it the case they have never used another DAW?

That's not true as AstroCastro already pointed out in detail. Before calling other member a fanboi you should at least be able to understand what he meant. To difficult for some obviously.

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...well that's all in the past now. Can't we all just get along?