Live 4.0...I've seen the light!

[whiteaxxxe]

I remember very well how it took me some time to forget the convention of pattern based sequencing (read: Session View, then Notator/Creator) and think differently to get used to the linear sequencer way of doing things...

same here - ah the good old ST days... [/quote]

I didnt use the pattern-thing with notator creator. but st I used und sometimes use now. and with steinberg 12 I played linaer-sequencing. an I am glad to play with the pattern-oriented thing scince short. it works. ))

[meister eder]

He must be god if we follow this methaphor!

so why the hell did he invent the AudioUnits format then?

Did he? I thought it was the devil who invented AudioUnits. And the devil was the snake.... ergo: r_modules's wife invented AudioUnits!

Now that's logic, isn't it? (pun intended)

[Lunatique]

Is Live good for guys that likes to write complex arrangements and melodic orchestral stuff? It seems that Live if more for DJ's and dance oriented music? I compose a very wide range of styles, ranging from jazz, orchestral, rock, to electronic, and I wonder if Live is for me.

[jens]

Is Live good for guys that likes to write complex arrangements and melodic orchestral stuff? It seems that Live if more for DJ's and dance oriented music? I compose a very wide range of styles, ranging from jazz, orchestral, rock, to electronic, and I wonder if Live is for me.

there's no reason why that shouldn't work with live - mind you, Live has still a linear sequencer built-in

[r_module]

r_modules's wife invented AudioUnits!

no, she invented a forbidden fruit (and she keeps
showing the plu...*hust*).

@lunatique: check this, it's probably your taste
(follow the link to roblevit.com).
http://www.ableton.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9614

[Notron User]

Lunatique,

Carter Burwell is a movie composer closely associated with the Coen Brothers, he is apparently quite the fan/user of Live.

[WillieJenkins]

I had written a large gushing post, but I decided not to post it

Instead I'll say Live is a VERY important app in this industry. IMO, the key to Live is to NOT try and treat it like a full fledged linear sequencer. Its to use it to create musical ideas, as opposed to record/arrange musical ideas.

Just armed with live, I've come up with (so have many others of course) some live performance ideas that may begin to bridge the gap between really getting out and playing 'LIVE' on stage, while still retaining an electronic vibe.

Its spawning ideas like http://laptopbattle.org/
Its a very cool app with very cool possibilities

-Eric

[jens]

I had written a large gushing post, but I decided not to post it

Instead I'll say Live is a VERY important app in this industry. IMO, the key to Live is to NOT try and treat it like a full fledged linear sequencer. Its to use it to create musical ideas, as opposed to record/arrange musical ideas.

Just armed with live, I've come up with (so have many others of course) some live performance ideas that may begin to bridge the gap between really getting out and playing 'LIVE' on stage, while still retaining an electronic vibe.

Its spawning ideas like http://laptopbattle.org/
Its a very cool app with very cool possibilities

-Eric

but it IS also a fully fledged linear sequencer - so why in the world shouldn't someone use it ALSO like this?

[WillieJenkins]

sorry jens, I didn't mean to say they shouldn't.

Its just a semantics thing I guess, So much of expectation is caused by our initial introduction to things, if Live is simply referred to as 'anotehr sequencer' as opposed to a 'sequencing instrument', I think people coming to the app won't approach live with its intended mindset.

Just for kicks and giggles I tried mixing down one of my friends songs in Live only (instead of Sonar), and it didn't go anywhere near as smooth as Sonar. Lots of little details that took Sonar, Cubase, Logic 10+ years to iron out really were lacking in Live.

So if I were thinking about Live as 'a sequencer', I might not like it necessarily, as the linear sequencing/mixing element isn't as strong.

However, as a composition, idea, inspirational tool, Live is in a world of its own (imo). I feel like I'm creating music with live, as opposed to sonar, where i feel like I'm recording/arranging musical ideas.

Subtle distinction, and mostly semantics.. I'm actually regretting I wrote all this crap, as normally I'd be slagging someone who wrote this kind of post off.

But I've come to far to stop now.. really, I'm not as big a tool as this post made me seem

[meister eder]

but it IS also a fully fledged linear sequencer - so why in the world shouldn't someone use it ALSO like this?

I must say, what keept me from arranging full tracks in Live so far is that it still lacks in the part of convenient navigation techniques like they are essential to getting work done quickly. I'm talking about zooming in and out (e.g. key-commands, rubberband), moving from here to there (markers, navigation snapshots), snip-, cut-, splice-options and things like that. Techniques that have grown over years in DAWs like Logic or ProTools.
But I'm sure that those things will be the next to be addressed in Live!

[meister eder]

sorry jens, I'm not saying they shouldn't.

I'm just saying Ableton calls it a 'Sequencing Instrument'.

Hehe, not anymore! Have you realized the new "about" screen in Live4?
It now says "Real-Time Music Production for Mac OS and Windows".

[WillieJenkins]

hahahahah dr. wackler, sorry, I was staring at hte live3 box in my room as I was writing this

I stand corrected

I just wanna call it whatever Ableton calls it

[jens]

I hear you, Eric - it's way more than any typical linear sequencer like e.g. Cubase or Sonar - but for me (and I assume I am not the only one) this is the most important thing about a host - so I'd say:
if you want a sequencer try Live and then you'll see what other cool features it has up its sleeve

it's the same thing with energyXT:

For me it's only really interesting since it is also a linear sequencer - so I registered and now I also enjoy all of its other cool features.


So for me it's like this:
basic sequencing comes first, but at times it won't be enough

[DHR53]

Hmmm... I posted because I had never really tried to use the session view for recording clips (midi) live... which of course wasn't possible before 4.0! I have plenty of pattern sequencers (Orion and Fruity) and I started out on a Roland MC800 hardware sequencer with an Esnoniq ESQ (think that was it) in the 80s... But Live is not really like a classic pattern sequencer, or a linear sequencer for that matter... it's sort of an idea machine with aspects of both... It would be hard to actually use all of the features in one song... I'm still trying to figure out what to do next, myself? I have a few issues I can't seem to resolve, but it sure boggles the mind with the possibilities... To change the subject: I've been creating drum kits with Impulse, and I've noticed it's crashing the program... I've been using .aif files, and I get a couple of clips set up, load some AUs (Zebra, Chameleon, FM7 etc.) and boom! Goes down! CPU is hitting 50% with not too much going on... Which leads me to believe that cpu friendly reputation comes from the audio only aspect... Of course I'm talking Mac here... G4 1.25ghz! But I just ordered my G5, so I'll report back...

[jens]

but it IS also a fully fledged linear sequencer - so why in the world shouldn't someone use it ALSO like this?

I must say, what keept me from arranging full tracks in Live so far is that it still lacks in the part of convenient navigation techniques like they are essential to getting work done quickly. I'm talking about zooming in and out (e.g. key-commands, rubberband), moving from here to there (markers, navigation snapshots), snip-, cut-, splice-options and things like that. Techniques that have grown over years in DAWs like Logic or ProTools.
But I'm sure that those things will be the next to be addressed in Live!

I find zooming in Live's linear sequencer (actually I currently only own Remix ) rather easy once you're used to it.