Filerbank: Quad-Frohmage or Antares Filer?

[CypherOne]

Some news in the pipe :

Quad Frohmage update in august with stereo processing per filter (optionnal thus). It should also come with extra presets.

This was the main grip against QF for AF users. I'd say that to make your choice, sounds is the first thing. For the rest, I think it's honest to say that QF is a bit more feature proof than AF (way more filters, can track signal to generate modulation, preset morphing and extended MIDI support amongst other key features). Also, AF makes it really tough to do some smooth manual automation (say a LP cutoff ramp up of 16 bars) because you'll hear the "step" or the automation due to the GUI implementation.

All in all in Ohm Force we see AF as a cheap colourfoul clone of QF (although it sounds OK and is probably a bit easier to get, at the cost of what we think to be 'must be there features' for a filter bank). Of course this is completely partial

OTOH Nitro is a completely different baby. As always with PSP it sounds fantastic - but unless it has changed lately it's more aimed at soft rather than hardcore sounds. Once more it's not as packed with features than QF but it's smartly design on the DSP side and it's a very nice FX.

One good reason to go for QF thus is the brand new cohmpletion offer . The idea is that owning one Ohm Force plugin allows you to get better prices on other Ohm Force products. For instance with QF you could get €50 off on the Ohm Force Experience or even €100 if you take both at the same time. (supposing you don't allready own some of the Ohm Force Experience plugin, in which cas it would be even cheaper).

Hope that helps

Will the update be free to existing users Red?

[Red_Force]

Of course!

[griels]

One good reason to go for QF thus is the brand new cohmpletion offer . The idea is that owning one Ohm Force plugin allows you to get better prices on other Ohm Force products. For instance with QF you could get €50 off on the Ohm Force Experience or even €100 if you take both at the same time. (supposing you don't allready own some of the Ohm Force Experience plugin, in which cas it would be even cheaper).

Hope that helps

Excellent! As an owner of Mobilohm, OhmBoyz, Predatohm, Hematohm and Quadfrohmage, I hope that'll apply to the new Minimonster

[Red_Force]

Well, in a way. It works by propagation amongst several bundles. If you allready own what is a part of a bundle, you can cohmplete the bundle at the bundle's price minus what you have allready paied.

So in your case your best bet is probably to get all Ohm Force once completed with Minimonster:Melohman (i.e when it's available...) for the updated price of this bundle (probably something like EUR799, we'll see) minus what you have allready payed.

That's a bit more that what you've asked for but with Oddity, Imposcar (a special guest in the offer) and Symptohm:Melohman at a bargain price, me thinks it's really something to consider

Of course, if you get the bundle now at the current price, we'll make sure you'll get the same discount when getting Minimonster:Melohman...

Gee, I feel like a real sales man now. Ok, enough of commercial chit chat, if you want to know more mail this guy :

webmaster
@
ohmforce.com

He'll tell you about life.

[meister eder]

There is a free one at www.obertone.com

Nice to have a 'Shareman Filterbank', but I prefer to have a 'Sherman".

[spaceman]

I have quad, antares filter and psp nitro..

I'd go for the nitro

more money than sense, or a secret crack-whore?

trial and error, no patience, vst buying bug and options

that's all I've got to say to you

..oh and 'birdy nam nam'.. but that's just some random words

[spaceman]

I have quad, antares filter and psp nitro..

yes, but you had to sell your spaceship in order to get those ..

putte

RENT.. I rent it out well ok, I traded it in for this spacesuit

[DevonB]

Then there's me who's never liked any of the OhmForce plugs. Too harsh, too dirty. AF sounded ok, but I didn't like the interface. Nitro I like best, but I also understand how to use it pretty well considering I did a good chunk of presets for it. Nitro is smooth and versatile, and once you get the workflow, pretty easy to dial in whatever you want it to do.

Devon

[suthnear]

Nice to have a 'Shareman Filterbank', but I prefer to have a 'Sherman".

Yeah, nothing quite like that sherman is there? A great messy monster

I have had QF for some time and recently d/led Nitro. Initially I was very impressed but after a while this faded a bit. Whereas the different filter models (e.g. standard LPF vs SV LPF vs m**g LPF) in QF sound quite distinct, the Nitro ones sound pretty much the same to me. Also, Nitro suffers from a similar flaw to the Antares: there is a separation between the filtered sound and resonance, particularly at high resonance. It's like they're being created by two separate processes and then layered together. QF doesn't seem to suffer from this nearly as much and it's therefore a more pleasing filter to my ears. Doing A/B tests showed that QF is capable of considerably wider sonic territory, too. Where QF really kills, though, is in the modulation stakes and this makes it another beast entirely. Nitro does have that interesting matrix but unfortunately it is disabled in the demo so I wasn't able to explore it properly.

In Nitro's favour, it has terrific flange/phase effects. And while the filters lack the character of those in QF they have a lot of presence and are very usable in a polite sort of way. Also, Nitro's controls are smoother - QF's knobs have a slightly sluggish feel compared to Nitro - and a more 'polished' (no pun intended ) UI. But I like QF's gritty style more anyway.

Red - since you're here anyway - any chance of the QF update featuring either (or, better yet, both) the Oddity or Minimonster filter models? Seeing as how you've put so much work in them and that code is just lying around anyway? If you felt like it - I certainly wouldn't stop you - those models might then even find their way into Symptohm, too...

[Red_Force]

In Nitro's favour, it has terrific flange/phase effects.

Yes. We have kept that for mobilohm

And while the filters lack the character of those in QF they have a lot of presence and are very usable in a polite sort of way.

I second that.

Also, Nitro's controls are smoother - QF's knobs have a slightly sluggish feel compared to Nitro -

Oh, I really don't. QF has subpixel technology which means it has the smoothest knobs on earth apart possibly from vectorials GUI (which neithere are Nitro or AF). Plus they have the flying faders features ("launch" them in one move), normal vertical control and fine horizontal control, grouped move with key combinations. And they DO have some sort of slight added inertia for a more realistic behaviour, but it's generally appreciated More than all they're perfectly smooth and controlable, which few GUI really allows out there...

Red - since you're here anyway - any chance of the QF update featuring either (or, better yet, both) the Oddity or Minimonster filter models? Seeing as how you've put so much work in them and that code is just lying around anyway? If you felt like it - I certainly wouldn't stop you - those models might then even find their way into Symptohm, too...

Smart questions indeed. We do have some sort of plans, but it's not completely designed. One idea is to create a Quad Frohmage Hardcore version, preset compatible, but with different filters imbeded, that would be available at low price for QF owners interested, and it may well happend this year. Another is to release a Moog filter separetely... or inclueded in the box... whatever. We have not decided on this.[/quote]

[Kim Lajoie]

Quad Frohmage Hardcore version

Oh my god!!!!!

That's like Farrari or Porche saying, "We're going to to be releasing a new version of our flagship sportscar, it'll be called The Fast Version"

Seriously, I thought QF was overly excessive in it's hardcore-ness... But with "Hardcore version" it's like you're saying "you thought regular QF was hardcore? Nah - it's really kinda tame and polite. If you want hardcore, check this out..."

For everyone else: QF can do non-filter tricks too: like flanger, reverse delay, ringmod, distortion, pitch-shifting, etc.

Forever,




Kim.

[griels]

Then there's me who's never liked any of the OhmForce plugs. Too harsh, too dirty. AF sounded ok, but I didn't like the interface. Nitro I like best, but I also understand how to use it pretty well considering I did a good chunk of presets for it. Nitro is smooth and versatile, and once you get the workflow, pretty easy to dial in whatever you want it to do.

Devon

Wow, well, to me QuadFrohmage is capable of anything from mellow filtering effects (even at high resonance), through gently distorted/saturated sounds, right on up to grungification on steroids. Even at high resonance it can sound smooth to me, unlike Nitro. Never tried Antares (further, I think the demo has PACE protection which puts me off doing so), so I can't comment on that. Admittedly, some of the Ohm FX such as Mobilohm are on the grittier side of things. I find myself using Classic Phaser or Supaphaser alongside it, depending on application, but it has a secure place in my FX arsenal

As stated, Nitro is still a great effect... But I wouldn't ever consider the filter to be smooth, certainly not at high Q. It sounds distinctly digital to my (admittedly cloth) ears

Anyway, terms such as 'smooth' and 'warm' are all highly subjective when it comes to sound. However I think we can all agree that QuadFrohmage sounds rather soupy, and perhaps a tad irascible.

[Ronny Pries]

Grmbl,

i just bought AF cause it has had the stereo capabilities over QF and now you're going to change that... Red Force, shame on you Will there be a step sequencerish kind of thing, too? If so, can i trade in my AF for QF hrhrhrh....

Ronny

[DevonB]

Then there's me who's never liked any of the OhmForce plugs. Too harsh, too dirty. AF sounded ok, but I didn't like the interface. Nitro I like best, but I also understand how to use it pretty well considering I did a good chunk of presets for it. Nitro is smooth and versatile, and once you get the workflow, pretty easy to dial in whatever you want it to do.

Devon

Wow, well, to me QuadFrohmage is capable of anything from mellow filtering effects (even at high resonance), through gently distorted/saturated sounds, right on up to grungification on steroids. Even at high resonance it can sound smooth to me, unlike Nitro. Never tried Antares (further, I think the demo has PACE protection which puts me off doing so), so I can't comment on that. Admittedly, some of the Ohm FX such as Mobilohm are on the grittier side of things. I find myself using Classic Phaser or Supaphaser alongside it, depending on application, but it has a secure place in my FX arsenal

As stated, Nitro is still a great effect... But I wouldn't ever consider the filter to be smooth, certainly not at high Q. It sounds distinctly digital to my (admittedly cloth) ears

Anyway, terms such as 'smooth' and 'warm' are all highly subjective when it comes to sound. However I think we can all agree that QuadFrohmage sounds rather soupy, and perhaps a tad irascible.

I guess I'm also not a 'gritty', 'crank up the reso to the max' kinda guy either. Sometimes it's cool, but it's never been my main focus. That, and I never have liked their interfaces either for OhmForce hasn't helped. I'd certainly recommend them for the guys who like their 'grits' though.

Devon

[loophead]

Andrew71, I looked at all three simult and bought two...so heres my three cents.

The antares can not do hard filtering and automation is not so great. The Ohmforce can do the hardest filtering, has lots of options. The prestes may not be so hot but you can tweak quite easily to taste. The PSP is more of a multieffect has a mellower filter effect but overall has the most use as an effect plug for all sorts of uses including great filter effects. The PSP is overall the most useful in daily work.

If you want down and dirty go for the Ohmforce. If you want high end production effects go for the Nito. Dont even bother at all with the antares...

Can you guess which two I bought