DAW development stopped ?

[Kalamata Kid]

See also Hollyhock 3
http://www.sensomusic.org/

Genuinely impressed.

I'll be able to use my 3D Leap Motion device after all !

Hollyhock 3 is great!
Too bad it is not offered as a VSTi so Studio One or Reaper can host it.

[pdxindy]

Yes Bitwig looks good - I do remember its two year gestation period
You could argue that Bitwig is Ableton Live derivative.

Bitwig may have started as something of a Live derivative, but it has gone in its own direction and added some unique capability not in Live or other DAW's. It's fresh and creative.

[dellboy]

Would it be a reasonable assumption to say that there isn't much more room for innovation - rather like the petrol engine in cars ?

Yep.

Cubase on the Atari in 1989 gave us most of the stuff needed for midi.

Ableton Live 2001 gave loop based midi.

Hardisk recording in the early 2000's gave us the ability to record audio.

Vst's gave us instruments and fx.

Job done.

[bungle]

The most innovative developments are on other platforms now like iPad and such, not because there is any great thrust in those taking over, but it just seems to cover much more experimental ground than the main desktop guys are willing to do.
Everything Bitwig can do or Studio One 4 could already be done in Reaper too, so this isn't too much difference in most of the DAWs to be truthful.

[Acid Mitch]

Maybe because they finally ironed all bugs on that OS and moving on next just introduce more variables, but yeah, let's just stop supporting something we worked years on fixing and move on next thing, flawed logic, but whatever keeps selling new hardware I guess, software devs. aren't the ones pushing themselves into it, but aren't naive either, not all, but plenty.

XP lacks some features needed to support modern hardware.

[Zexila]

Maybe because they finally ironed all bugs on that OS and moving on next just introduce more variables, but yeah, let's just stop supporting something we worked years on fixing and move on next thing, flawed logic, but whatever keeps selling new hardware I guess, software devs. aren't the ones pushing themselves into it, but aren't naive either, not all, but plenty.

XP lacks some features needed to support modern hardware.

Which audio hardware, half of things we have now worked on XP/10.6.8 till recently, what changed?

Apple/MS decided it's time to die and that's it, that's what I said and that's what you answered.

[egbert]

Would it be a reasonable assumption to say that there isn't much more room for innovation - rather like the petrol engine in cars ?

Yep.

Cubase on the Atari in 1989 gave us most of the stuff needed for midi.

Ableton Live 2001 gave loop based midi.

The predecessor of Logic was Notator and it worked with loopable MIDI structures (arrange page) as well as with the linear timeline - this was back in the late 80s/early 90s on Atari and then also the Mac.

[Cinebient]

The most innovative developments are on other platforms now like iPad and such, not because there is any great thrust in those taking over, but it just seems to cover much more experimental ground than the main desktop guys are willing to do.
Everything Bitwig can do or Studio One 4 could already be done in Reaper too, so this isn't too much difference in most of the DAWs to be truthful.

Mhhh, while i think that is true with a few multi touch optimized apps i did not find any iOS app really innovative. Indeed there is not much innovation in iOS apps but they often offer great GUI to interact with compared to some plug-ins.
All i need is NanoStudio 2 for iOS.
But compared to a DAW like Logic all iOS DAW are really limited and not really more innovative.
That said i like using my mac, iPad and iPhone for certain tasks.
I see more innovations in using iPads as controller and wonder why there are not more and better native remote apps.
I do agree that some iOS apps are more experimental rather than on the save side which is great but also nothing really you would not find in the Reaktor library.

[Elektronisch]

I haven't done much in the music world over the last few years and so I thought I'd have a look around the KVR for old times sake. It occurred to me that there's not too much new stuff to get excited about with DAWs.
Would it be a reasonable assumption to say that there isn't much more room for innovation - rather like the petrol engine in cars ?
I am not trying to be provocative, I genuinely felt this when having a look around today.

Actually it depends since when you stopped making music. If it was years and years ago, there has alot of changes happened with the DAWs that were released, but in theyr updates, just do your research and check the latest versions, whats new or since the last version you left.

[dellboy]

Would it be a reasonable assumption to say that there isn't much more room for innovation - rather like the petrol engine in cars ?

Yep.

Cubase on the Atari in 1989 gave us most of the stuff needed for midi.

Ableton Live 2001 gave loop based midi.

The predecessor of Logic was Notator and it worked with loopable MIDI structures (arrange page) as well as with the linear timeline - this was back in the late 80s/early 90s on Atari and then also the Mac.

Goodness, now your showing your age.

Next you will be telling us you remember C-Lab Creator which preceded Notator.

Of course, I am far too young to remember either of them

[jonljacobi]

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[jonljacobi]

Real Time was the first with the loopable block construction. Notator took it from them. Atari ST.

What kind of innovation are you expecting?

[Jace-BeOS]

Once a certain level of robustness is accomplished, there's not a lot of major changes to make (definitely not just for the sake of change, please). Yet, companies still try to sell us the same product again each year, mostly by throwing bundled content and plugins into the thing, and coming up with a few bullet point "new features" that aren't all that important. Occasionally something interesting and useful appears. I wish developers would just focus on speed, efficiency, bug fixing, and general usability, but they're convinced that this doesn't make them money.

The only changes I really need that are time-consuming development are larger GUI graphics for higher resolution/PPI displays. Propellerhead has managed to keep selling Reason again and again without addressing this one very important issue. What was in the latest version? Bundled stuff. I refuse to buy an upgrade (still at version 7) until they resolve this. I'm expecting they'll mess it up when they finally do it. Look at Logic: Apple keeps updating the old small GUIs with larger but ugly-as-shit flat "minimal" GUIs because everyone feels the compulsion to play along with stupid fads.

[BMoore]

See also Hollyhock 3
http://www.sensomusic.org/

Genuinely impressed.

I'll be able to use my 3D Leap Motion device after all !

Dang. Have to check this out.
Might just be what everyone hoped energyXT developed into.

[Zexila]

I wish developers would just focus on speed, efficiency, bug fixing, and general usability, but they're convinced that this doesn't make them money.

Market changed, now we have folks who are more interested in buying toys, than using them, they are ones who need to be on last version of OS, even alpha if they can, most of them are gamers that just play with music too, obsessed with new tech, but couldn't make anything worth listening even if someone took their brain reading, so yeah, pretty much they are target market last few years.