I wonder what he's doing with that honking big MPC then.Muff Wiggler wrote:and doesn't dj shadow not make beats at all, simply put other people's records on a record player and play them?
Groet, Erik
Do you have to play an instrument?
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- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
Groet, Erik
Pop music delenda est.
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- KVRAF
- 7936 posts since 18 Feb, 2003 from out there somewhere
oh right, so you're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong? Thanks for clearing that up...Equilibrium wrote: But yeah, Dj Shadow's beats are better than Roni Size, you either realise that or you don't (Regardless of who you prefer).
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- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
I get the feeling the definition of "instrument" is a little narrow here.
A trumpet is an instrument, so is a piano, a bag of nails, vocal chords, an oil drum, a guitar, a rusty hinge, and a computer.
I think it is impossible to make music without an instrument. even if this instrument is just your brain.
Groet, Erik
A trumpet is an instrument, so is a piano, a bag of nails, vocal chords, an oil drum, a guitar, a rusty hinge, and a computer.
I think it is impossible to make music without an instrument. even if this instrument is just your brain.
Groet, Erik
Pop music delenda est.
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- KVRAF
- 2401 posts since 29 Dec, 2002 from In the dark
Yes, it helps, but not essential.
Isn't a computer an instrument?
Isn't a computer an instrument?
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- KVRAF
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
I've never heard Dj Krust (I avoid most things with 'DJ' in the name, usually), but I still don't see 'what' makes someone's melody (or beat) better than anothers. Saying 'same thing that makes blah-blah better than blarh-blarg' doesn't count and isn't very helpful, sorry. I'm sure you could find millions of people who prefer DJ X's melodies to Mozart's.Same thing that makes a Mozart melody better than a Dj Krust one
Is personal taste still allowed, or does the arbitrary concept of 'good' supercede that?
I dunno, but if he has that, I bet he is pretty good at playing 'whack-a-mole' too. Still doesn't make him a musician!I wonder what he's doing with that honking big MPC then
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- jaaathmaster
- 2690 posts since 1 Jun, 2001 from Marlow, S. Bucks, UK
Yeah, I think that's a good way of thinking of ittetraplan wrote:I get the feeling the definition of "instrument" is a little narrow here.
A trumpet is an instrument, so is a piano, a bag of nails, vocal chords, an oil drum, a guitar, a rusty hinge, and a computer.
I think it is impossible to make music without an instrument. even if this instrument is just your brain.
Groet, Erik
Music with dinner is an insult both to the cook and the violinist.
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- KVRist
- 492 posts since 26 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver BC
Wonder how much longer before the term 'elitist pigs' rears it's ugly head... ya just know it's coming.
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- KVRian
- 711 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Mostly in planes and hotels. Terra Firma: Seattle, WA
griels wrote:Yeah, I think that's a good way of thinking of ittetraplan wrote:I get the feeling the definition of "instrument" is a little narrow here.
A trumpet is an instrument, so is a piano, a bag of nails, vocal chords, an oil drum, a guitar, a rusty hinge, and a computer.
I think it is impossible to make music without an instrument. even if this instrument is just your brain.
Groet, Erik
I kinda agree too .. although there is a side of me that absolute worships a skilled instrumentalist in the traditional sense. Someone like a John McLaughlin or a John Coltrane.
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- KVRAF
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
elitist pigs, all of ya
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- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
What's the difference between an instrument and a tool?t-willy wrote:hmmm, good questions here. is a computer an instrument or a tool?
Groet, Erik
Pop music delenda est.
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- KVRist
- 492 posts since 26 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver BC
Razor blade is a tool, splicing block is an instrument.
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- KVRist
- 444 posts since 16 Dec, 2003 from here and now
Do you have to play an instrument?
No, you don't.
But why then not just sit down and have a smoke listening to a fine groovy LP you just brought back from the store?
You can ask your mate to teach you the basis of guitar playing, or use a kazoo, or sing as well, explore the kitchen elements and recreate the battery (tip : forks and spoons in the bottom of a pan do the snare), oh and other tip, take a look at the multimedia dpt of a big store, where they sell EJay loop cds, etc, possibilities are infinite, life is great ain't it?
A famous writer said music was the only admirable art, that is the only in which one couldn't cheat, but well, must have been long ago, and indeed, it was last year...
...But Prince said today "Kids today, I mean, they're so talented and sophisticated," he said. "They can create their own albums on laptops. They can deliver it through the Internet. They can even be their own distribution service." So really, things go fast!
Besides, chances are those who do will swear their great gods YOU HAVE TO, whether those who don't will nervously shout NO YOU DON'T...
But if the question is can you make a worldwide hit without even entering a studio once in your life, clearly yes, but that's another buisness maybe, don't you think?
Also what about : <Do you like sugar?> for the next poll?...
...No! don't tell me that... it's done already?!!
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Kevin : - Would be fine a wizard to create entire
mixes of cool tunes!...
Dave : - Kev, call it a DJ!
No, you don't.
But why then not just sit down and have a smoke listening to a fine groovy LP you just brought back from the store?
You can ask your mate to teach you the basis of guitar playing, or use a kazoo, or sing as well, explore the kitchen elements and recreate the battery (tip : forks and spoons in the bottom of a pan do the snare), oh and other tip, take a look at the multimedia dpt of a big store, where they sell EJay loop cds, etc, possibilities are infinite, life is great ain't it?
A famous writer said music was the only admirable art, that is the only in which one couldn't cheat, but well, must have been long ago, and indeed, it was last year...
...But Prince said today "Kids today, I mean, they're so talented and sophisticated," he said. "They can create their own albums on laptops. They can deliver it through the Internet. They can even be their own distribution service." So really, things go fast!
Besides, chances are those who do will swear their great gods YOU HAVE TO, whether those who don't will nervously shout NO YOU DON'T...
But if the question is can you make a worldwide hit without even entering a studio once in your life, clearly yes, but that's another buisness maybe, don't you think?
Also what about : <Do you like sugar?> for the next poll?...
...No! don't tell me that... it's done already?!!
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Kevin : - Would be fine a wizard to create entire
mixes of cool tunes!...
Dave : - Kev, call it a DJ!
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- KVRAF
- 1740 posts since 6 Jan, 2004 from USA
i found this and it kind of sums up what i was getting at:
Tool applies broadly to a device that facilitates work.
Instrument refers especially to a relatively small precision tool (not literally a small precision tool) used by trained professionals.
in other words, i play my guitar (instrument) into my computer (tool) to make my music. the instrument makes the music, but the computer records it.
in all reality though, a computer is also an instrument, so i'm not sure what i'm getting at...
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t-willy
Tool applies broadly to a device that facilitates work.
Instrument refers especially to a relatively small precision tool (not literally a small precision tool) used by trained professionals.
in other words, i play my guitar (instrument) into my computer (tool) to make my music. the instrument makes the music, but the computer records it.
in all reality though, a computer is also an instrument, so i'm not sure what i'm getting at...
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t-willy
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- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
What's a splicing block? It's not in my dictionary (not the best one, admittedly) and Babelfish comes up with all kinds of sillyness.kaden wrote:Razor blade is a tool, splicing block is an instrument.
//begin non-serious part
I wonder if a splicing block sounds as good as the razors used by Einstürzende Neubauten.
//end non-serious part
I really do wonder, though.
Groet, Erik
Pop music delenda est.