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progfusion74 · Post by **progfusion74** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:29 am

You can make something totally new with the same old instruments. I don't think a grand piano can ever get old, can it?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:29 am

ah i see,sorry its 530 am here im a little wasted i figured you meant people who used emulations where all the same,as remember even a simple guitar can be used creatively these days so emulations of some synths surely have a place in creativity too?
i mean its about what you do with the emulation surely not the fact its an emulation?

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:34 am

vurt wrote: i mean its about what you do with the emulation surely not the fact its an emulation?

totally agree.... I just wonder about the people (seems to be many here and abroad) who get completely anally uptight about their emulations.... stuff that sounds kick ass but doesnt quite nail what it's emulating... then people spit all over it...

I remember imposcar being like that when it first came out... then people realized.. it aint an oscar but it sure rocks.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:34 am

specifically in reference to the points about guitar (& other real world instrumentation) & analog warmh etc.
It's useful (expecially 4 a non guitar player) to be able 2 gain an idea of what a guitar or piano would sound like in your mix - wang in the samples etc. & bounce to wav - then when your ready take it to the studio, or to your guitar players house and replace it with the 'real' thing - same goes 4 emulations of clavinet's etc.
As for analog warmth - same thing - get a feeling 4 how u want it to sound - and take 2 mixes to the studio - the unprocessed version & a reference version 4 the engineer to listen 2 - then he can use all his luvverly old (expensive) analog gear to get that sound 4 you - only better

progfusion74 · Post by **progfusion74** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:35 am

Robert Randolph wrote:
vurt wrote: i mean its about what you do with the emulation surely not the fact its an emulation?
totally agree.... I just wonder about the people (seems to be many here and abroad) who get completely anally uptight about their emulations.... stuff that sounds kick ass but doesnt quite nail what it's emulating... then people spit all over it...

I remember imposcar being like that when it first came out... then people realized.. it aint an oscar but it sure rocks.

There I agree with you completely

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:37 am

well in my defence then i never played many of the real classics,odd one on occassions but never enough to get to know them to that point
oh and i still dont have a clue what aliasing actually means
im the kinda guy that if a synth performs well soundwise then i like it,doesnt matter if its a perfect emulation or whatever but so long as it sounds good

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:38 am

Robert Randolph wrote:I guess from the responses Ive lost touch with people who make music for their own enjoyment.....

Seems the responses here so far (and before I start, this is a wonderful thing, not bad at all!) seem to tell me that a lot of people make music for their own enjoyment. That is, you hear XX on the stereo, like it and want to take your ideas and make something similiar because you like it.... In that idea I can see the idea for emulation...

That happends, but for me and lots of other people, we´re in love with a particular sound without wanting to immitate the context in which it was used. If I love the sound of a church organ, it´s not because I just listened to a church organ piece, but because I just got an idea inside my ahead that involves the beautiful sound of a church organ among other things.

Robert Randolph wrote: What I am more exposed to, and personally much more interested in is people who are making music to create new music for others... not specificaly to create music to satisfy (even if subconsciously) their own desires....

A person who need new sounds to make new music is not very creative. Of course there are people desperately seeking to be orignal rather than letting the inspiration comming from their heart, and they´ll be very aware of that every sound and every chord they´re using were never used before.
Often the result of such is not very human, and fortunately it takes less than being so extreme to make something new and to call yourself creative.

Robert Randolph wrote: Learn something new everyday I really forgot some people make music just to enjoy it rather than to acheive some technical merit, create new art, or push a boundary... Its a lost art i guess...

Why is it that new art can´t be made using emulations???

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:39 am

diverdee wrote:specifically in reference to the points about guitar (& other real world instrumentation) & analog warmh etc.
It's useful (expecially 4 a non guitar player) to be able 2 gain an idea of what a guitar or piano would sound like in your mix - wang in the samples etc. & bounce to wav - then when your ready take it to the studio, or to your guitar players house and replace it with the 'real' thing - same goes 4 emulations of clavinet's etc.
As for analog warmth - same thing - get a feeling 4 how u want it to sound - and take 2 mixes to the studio - the unprocessed version & a reference version 4 the engineer to listen 2 - then he can use all his luvverly old (expensive) analog gear to get that sound 4 you - only better

I dont understand that... most people (including myself) feel emulations barely even come close to sounding similiar... Ive never heard a guitar VSTi that sounded like a guitar except in a few situatiosn playing music Im not very familiar with to start off....

I guess the "analog" idea could be true, but then again most analog gear worth ranting about just plain sounds good (on its own merit)... not really that you need to mix for something that will work with that unit, know what I mean?

Tho, I did used to write piano music for the keyboardist in my old band with crappy samples... braid had lots of cool ideas that my hands didnt... so... good point

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:41 am

Roman empire, I totally agree. The idea I was trying to get across is why cant people make new music with emulations!? You certainly CAN! But for some reason a lot of people dont and get pretty hung up on their emulations sounding perfect....

By the above statement, I agree you do not need "new" sounds to make new music...

I think my post to vurt explains my ideas better anyways.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:42 am

vurt wrote:well in my defence then i never played many of the real classics,odd one on occassions but never enough to get to know them to that point
oh and i still dont have a clue what aliasing actually means
im the kinda guy that if a synth performs well soundwise then i like it,doesnt matter if its a perfect emulation or whatever but so long as it sounds good

And still your music doesnt suck (in my own special way, I mean its pretty cool).

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:45 am

Robert Randolph wrote:
vurt wrote:well in my defence then i never played many of the real classics,odd one on occassions but never enough to get to know them to that point
oh and i still dont have a clue what aliasing actually means
im the kinda guy that if a synth performs well soundwise then i like it,doesnt matter if its a perfect emulation or whatever but so long as it sounds good
And still your music doesnt suck (in my own special way, I mean its pretty cool).

thanks

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:53 am

Why people would emulate an orchestra, no need to ask huh?

I think its hard for a person to be a tight drummer, excellent guitar player and a recording engineer and a songwriter and a .. If you have tons of experience and a lot of time you can learn all of this, but if you just want drums for a track without wanting to buy a drumset, drummics, a big mixer or a soundcard with lots of micpres a plug like bfd or drumkit from hell will be both cheaper and easier. Same goes with guitars.

On the synthemulating side though.. I've never been a fan of the minimoog. I owned a juno 106 before, and i cant say that I was too impressed with it. Compared to what even the cheapest softsynths can do it feels very limited. The sound it produced i really cannot comment, i didnt use monitors at that time.
The vsti i like the most is vanguard. Its an emulator of alpha juno, but it has evolved into something more. It probably dont sound exactly as the original, but who cares?

When it comes to tapeemulation i couldnt care less that it is trying to emulate a tape recorder. I see it strictly as a sounddesign tool. If there is a magic trick to make drums and other sounds sound beefier, then i'll do it.

My experience with autotune is that if you dont sing in tune, autotune will only make it worse

I guess its supposed to be used if you have that perfect take, but its somewhat ruind by a little fluctation in pitch somewhere. And afterall its not that 'hard' to sing in tune, and your point about singing at parties is a good one!

I dont like autotune at all. Its responsible for a lot of crap. And isnt 'the right voice' equal to a sexy chick these days..? (and people, have you forgotten about those autotune tracks already? IT WAS PAIN!

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I like your point about linkin park. Haha

I couldnt agree more!

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:56 am

jeez man..if I didn't use emulation, I wouldn't be able to make music AT ALL right now!

not that you can call what I do music anyways..

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:57 am

who said linkin park?

Must have gotten them confused with limp bizkit...

how would you EVER confuse those two bands just by the mention of guitar tone....

Perfect example

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:58 am

sickle666 wrote:jeez man..if I didn't use emulation, I wouldn't be able to make music AT ALL right now!

And we'd all be that much happier....

people are we beginning to see the absolute horror's of emulations now!? With emulations this poor soul can make music! GOD FORBID THIS HAPPENS TO OTHER PEOPLE!

So why do you guys use emulations....