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deastman · Post by **deastman** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:13 pm

I remember watching a video some years ago in which Mr. Bill walked through one of his insane micro glitch edit timelines. My immediate reaction at the time was that he’d have a way easier time of it in just about any other linear DAW.

As for him using Bitwig, who cares? Why does it matter what any one individual does? Is this supposed to insinuate that all the rats are fleeing the sinking ship? Personally, I think Ableton is doing great, and I love working in Live more now than ever before. Especially after some of the linear clip improvements they made this time around. I’ve also had Bitwig since 1.0, and I’m thrilled with the new stuff in 3.0.

It is possible to work in more than one DAW, just like some people use more than one synthesizer or more than one guitar! These days, for various reasons, I find myself jumping in and out of Live, Bitwig, Cubase, Cakewalk, Reason, Reaper, and Logic. I suppose I could even add Loomer Architect and Numerology to the list. Slightly schizophrenic, yes, but I also don’t get hung up on the my DAW vs. your DAW wars. Each one has strengths and weaknesses. None is perfect, but they are all fun and inspiring in their own way.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:43 pm

deastman wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:13 pmAs for him using Bitwig, who cares? Why does it matter what any one individual does? Is this supposed to insinuate that all the rats are fleeing the sinking ship?

Lots of people simply follow their idols (like Mr Bill) and myself and many others would love more Bitwig users, because this means bigger dev team, financial stability for the company, quicker and bigger releases, more safety to actually experiment with features, etc. I don't have any nefarious intentions towards Ableton. They'll definitely survive

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:48 pm

antic604 wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:43 pm
deastman wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:13 pmAs for him using Bitwig, who cares? Why does it matter what any one individual does? Is this supposed to insinuate that all the rats are fleeing the sinking ship?
Lots of people simply follow their idols (like Mr Bill) and myself and many others would love more Bitwig users, because this means bigger dev team, financial stability for the company, quicker and bigger releases, more safety to actually experiment with features, etc. I don't have any nefarious intentions towards Ableton. They'll definitely survive

Not sure I want a bigger Dev team... Bitwig is coming out with cool stuff faster than the big companies, so I don't want Bitwig to become like them

fortune teller · Post by **fortune teller** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:13 pm

pdxindy wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:48 pm
antic604 wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:43 pm
deastman wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:13 pmAs for him using Bitwig, who cares? Why does it matter what any one individual does? Is this supposed to insinuate that all the rats are fleeing the sinking ship?
Lots of people simply follow their idols (like Mr Bill) and myself and many others would love more Bitwig users, because this means bigger dev team, financial stability for the company, quicker and bigger releases, more safety to actually experiment with features, etc. I don't have any nefarious intentions towards Ableton. They'll definitely survive
Not sure I want a bigger Dev team... Bitwig is coming out with cool stuff faster than the big companies, so I don't want Bitwig to become like them

Also, it gives you a good idea of who was really behind Ableton back in it's infancy, when the Bitwig crew was on that ship. It seems as if they have left a skeleton crew behind.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:23 pm

fortune teller wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:13 pm
pdxindy wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:48 pm
antic604 wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:43 pm
deastman wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:13 pmAs for him using Bitwig, who cares? Why does it matter what any one individual does? Is this supposed to insinuate that all the rats are fleeing the sinking ship?
Lots of people simply follow their idols (like Mr Bill) and myself and many others would love more Bitwig users, because this means bigger dev team, financial stability for the company, quicker and bigger releases, more safety to actually experiment with features, etc. I don't have any nefarious intentions towards Ableton. They'll definitely survive
Not sure I want a bigger Dev team... Bitwig is coming out with cool stuff faster than the big companies, so I don't want Bitwig to become like them
Also, it gives you a good idea of who was really behind Ableton back in it's infancy, when the Bitwig crew was on that ship. It seems as if they have left a skeleton crew behind.

That's just speculation...

fortune teller · Post by **fortune teller** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:53 pm

pdxindy wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:23 pm
fortune teller wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:13 pm
pdxindy wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:48 pm
antic604 wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:43 pm
deastman wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:13 pmAs for him using Bitwig, who cares? Why does it matter what any one individual does? Is this supposed to insinuate that all the rats are fleeing the sinking ship?
Lots of people simply follow their idols (like Mr Bill) and myself and many others would love more Bitwig users, because this means bigger dev team, financial stability for the company, quicker and bigger releases, more safety to actually experiment with features, etc. I don't have any nefarious intentions towards Ableton. They'll definitely survive
Not sure I want a bigger Dev team... Bitwig is coming out with cool stuff faster than the big companies, so I don't want Bitwig to become like them
Also, it gives you a good idea of who was really behind Ableton back in it's infancy, when the Bitwig crew was on that ship. It seems as if they have left a skeleton crew behind.
That's just speculation...

Seems pretty obvious, even with a casual viewer.

5Lives · Post by **5Lives** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:55 pm

Have they announced any more features for Bitwig 3 or is it just the grid thing?

FWIW, I’ve seen a lot more big time producers move to using Ableton in the past couple of years, so it must be doing something right.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:59 pm

5Lives wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:55 pm Have they announced any more features for Bitwig 3 or is it just the grid thing?

They haven't announced anything but the Grid... but the Bitwig guy mentioned that there are a few more things for 3.0 but that they haven't talked about them cause they want to focus on the Grid for now (NAMM show).

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:35 am

antic604 wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:16 pm
kmonkey wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:33 pmExcuse me i am genuinely asking who is Mr.Bill and why is it important that he uses Bitwig? Why hell is frozen now?

Am i getting this correctly (from other thread info) - Mr.Bill is previous Ableton developer or something?
No. He's a - very talented - musician and also teaches Ableton Live:
https://live.mrbillstunes.com/
https://mrbill.bandcamp.com/

I actually thought for a second you meant Bill Gates.

I'd love to see him doing some EDM with the phones on.

Deep Purple · Post by **Deep Purple** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:00 am

So if Mr Bill uses Bitwig, then Ableton Live is finished?

Talented musician or not, I don't think the fortunes of Ableton are based on whether or not one individual uses Bitwig.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:35 am

SparkySpark wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:35 amI actually thought for a second you meant Bill Gates. I'd love to see him doing some EDM with the phones on.

Well, there was a brief "romance" between Bitwig and Microsoft - they even showcased Bitwig on one of their conferences revealing Surface Pro 3. Some, including me, were hoping MS would fund development of Bitwig like Apple did with Logic, but alas this didn't happened...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:44 am

antic604 wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:35 amSome, including me, were hoping MS would fund development of Bitwig like Apple did with Logic, but alas this didn't happened...

I'm very glad it didn't

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:15 am

pdxindy wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:44 am
antic604 wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:35 amSome, including me, were hoping MS would fund development of Bitwig like Apple did with Logic, but alas this didn't happened...
I'm very glad it didn't

Yeah, it's probably for the better

But then again seeing how Reason started thriving after Propellerhead was bought by an investment fund it's hard to not consider such a possibility. The key problem is if they - Props in real life, Bitwig in hypothetical scenario - would be able to keep their original vision for the software intact. I agree that lots of things Bitwig does are niche, so maybe The Grid wouldn't happen under Microsoft? But also maybe we could do music in Excel and sync our tunes to Power Point presentations?

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:44 pm

Have they fixed the slow updated gui when working on ( heavy ) projects ?

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:42 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:44 pm Have they fixed the slow updated gui when working on ( heavy ) projects ?

Not yet, but hopefully the GPU acceleration is one of the yet unannounced features of v3

I think the delay partially due to Apple, because they constantly change their preferred (and as a result on the opposite side - banned) graphics environments supported by OSX. If OpenGL was supported, then we'd have that fixed months ago probably because it's standard on Win and Linuex, unlike Apple's proprietary Metal API... Bitwig could probably just fix that on Windows & Linux alone, but the OSX users - that are suffering most - would scream even more.

Hell froze over - Mr. Bill using Bitwig!!! :o