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Eon · Post by **Eon** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:59 am

TOTAL wrote:to eon again: Ihave already discovered it is the trash distortion which takes the most of the sound. hey! gotta simply tweak it some more! asking is a good way to come to one's own ideas

I am fully agree with you

distortion is peak-ful effect which makes lots of problems from my experience. Usually I dont like to use it but in trance which is my lovely kind of music I have to cause it makes hard leads and stuff

Be carefull and just keep going

Eon · Post by **Eon** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:08 pm

TOTAL wrote: To everyone: do you guys make on-stage-like improvizations, recording with, say, TapeIt, loop some part and tweak fx, mute trax, etc.
very efficient, but you often later have to remove clicks (np) and it's easy to overdo with the fx.
I didn't xpect cubase to be sufficient that.

Try Ableton Live 4, it is best thing for making live stage improvization expecially for techno.

tetraplan · Post by **tetraplan** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:25 pm

TOTAL wrote:tee boy: what kind? minimal, I guess, 150BPM, something like Jeff Mills's this time.

In that case, lose the distortion. It will clear up everything.
Well, maybe a hint of it on your kick.
Keep percussion nice and punchy.
Pads can work, listen to Mills' Our Man In Havana.
What I did when I made hard, percussive techno was this: keep everything around -6 dB, except the kick, that can go to ~ -1 dB.
Compression on whole track only: 0 ms attack, 0 ms release , low threshold, high ratio.
Experiment with settings.

Groet, Erik

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:21 pm

Thanks TOTAL, didn't know such a thing existed in vst

TOTAL · Post by **TOTAL** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:33 pm

Yeah, havent heard of any other pluging doing the same thing. waves not dead.

TOTAL · Post by **TOTAL** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:43 pm

tetraplan: thx for the tips. gonna check em out.

eon: you think so? I'm not convinced about using live for techno, yet. MB because once I tried with some samples of the same set I am using now in cubase for ~minimal, the final product was the most surprising in the history of my music making!

A long almost classic-like improvisation on a synth backed up by those rhythm samples (unprocessed) resulted as "new classic" or I don't know what.

how about the vst's in Live 3.0.4? do they work fine?

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:04 pm

Learn how to mix

visa tapani · Post by **visa tapani** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:21 pm

Yeah, I have to third the surprise of your method of running everything through the same FX. I mean, I never (hardly ever) run all my channels through the same effects before the mastering stage. Generally speaking my percussions alone are divided to at least 3 chains with separate effects. Running the whole frekin track through 2 filters and a distortion seems like a very odd solution indeed.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:55 pm

My newest darling, crunchessor from voxengo, try that one .. mmmmmmgod, its good for techno

By the way .. may we hear a piece from it?

TOTAL · Post by **TOTAL** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:35 am

crunchessor?

haven't found it on voxengo page..

you mean the new~classic stuff?

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:39 am

It will be released on monday (thats tomorrow)!
Its on the top of the downloadpage

TOTAL · Post by **TOTAL** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:03 pm

Crackbaby wrote:
By the way .. may we hear a piece from it?

sure. it's finished. I have to ul it (f**k, got a modem). i'll pm u when it's available.

in what way is the crunchessor better than other stuff of this type?

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 6:26 pm

TOTAL wrote: in what way is the crunchessor better than other stuff of this type?

Um.. try it!
You can probably get the same result with other products .. but with this one .. it is so easy. Set drive to almost max, attack to 20-40 and Slow .. release .. a small value. Then check the different colouring .. i prefer varm, snappy and clean. Make a drumloop and try it. With it i can make the sound that i always wanted .. but with other stuff it was to hard to do ..

I LOVE IT!

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