Alternative to Waves Vocal Rider?

[mike_the_ranger]

Thank you. Your thread says exactly that the automation writing feature has been removed some versions ago... And it has people nicely explaining why poeple use these automations or what's the benefit of it or what they think vocal rider has advantages on.

No problems with vocal rider here. It's very easy to setup and its automation data doesn't have to be fast. Tried the MAV some time ago but it took me longer to setup than to manual ride the fader. Also there was a problem that it often had audible distortion or clicking. Going to try the hornet ones now.

[Harry_HH]

Hand.

[Tilly]

but ifsomeone needs something to be used on all kinds of source signals than I think MAutoVolume is the better tool.

Just because something is called a name, it doesn't mean it can't be used for other purposes. I recently used Vocal Rider to balance strings. And I was glad I had the automation to correct on a single passage where it didn't work like expected.

Hornet Autogain is very affordable and does a great job too, even with a few controls. The smart algorithm does the job.

[ozonepaul]

but ifsomeone needs something to be used on all kinds of source signals than I think MAutoVolume is the better tool.

Just because something is called a name, it doesn't mean it can't be used for other purposes. I recently used Vocal Rider to balance strings. And I was glad I had the automation to correct on a single passage where it didn't work like expected.

I'm sure it can be used for all kinds of other purposes and the results are great but I guess there must be a technical reason why it's designed mainly for vocals (the same way as the bass rider is designed for bass). I'm pretty sure that eg. their attack time and frequency sensitivity is different.
+ Am I right that the bass rider can not write automation the same way as the vocal rider can? So it seems to me the source signal plays a huge role whether automation can work or not.

Hornet Autogain is very affordable and does a great job too, even with a few controls. The smart algorithm does the job.

I've never ever heard of Hornet plugins so following your recommendation I just checked them out. Indeed their autogain plugin is very affordable, thanks for the suggestion.

[ozonepaul]

Your thread says exactly that the automation writing feature has been removed some versions ago.

Sorry, it was my mistake. I never realized it was removed as I haven't needed that function for ages.

[simon.a.billington]

Hi,

I’m looking for an alternative to the Waves Vocal Rider. I’ve had a quick look and found products by Melda M-AutoVolume and Hornet Autogain PromkII.

Are there any other options I’ve missed?

What would you recommend for best quality of results?

Thanks

It’s tricky, but there are one or two “gain riding” style p,uninspiring out there. Actually I think, one may be called “Gain Rider”.

If your looking for smooth, transparent style dynamic management than you could try MaxxVolume, or MV2. Are looking for a non-Waves solution, though??

[walltone]

If your looking for smooth, transparent style dynamic management than you could try MaxxVolume, or MV2. Are looking for a non-Waves solution, though??

I know that it is old thread, but I have recently discovered that the original creators of Fader Riding concept (used to be ProTools only) came up with the solution: Quiet Art WaveRider Tg.
I have bought it (during intro sale) and used it with a good result already. There is actually SoS old article where original QA Wave Rider plug-ins is compared to Waves Vocal Rider on vocals, and QA WR is definitely outperforming WVR in terms of accuracy.

I am owning Hornet Auto-Gain Pro as well, but for some very odd reason I didn't come along with it. Too many controls and a bit hard to get any predictable result, while Wave Rider TG - is effortlessly to control and set-up. It doesn't have side-chain (which I don't need anyway) though.
I have used it to smooth out levels on vocal tracks. And while it is not controlling channel fader (as original ProTools version does) - it does write automation, and currently I copying automation data from plug-in to channel fader and slightly adjusting it to my taste (though developer is mentioning that the results are different - it is still a good and relevant way for me to use it like that). The results are super nice to my ears.

[simon.a.billington]

If your looking for smooth, transparent style dynamic management than you could try MaxxVolume, or MV2. Are looking for a non-Waves solution, though??

I know that it is old thread, but I have recently discovered that the original creators of Fader Riding concept (used to be ProTools only) came up with the solution: Quiet Art WaveRider Tg.
I have bought it (during intro sale) and used it with a good result already. There is actually SoS old article where original QA Wave Rider plug-ins is compared to Waves Vocal Rider on vocals, and QA WR is definitely outperforming WVR in terms of accuracy.

I am owning Hornet Auto-Gain Pro as well, but for some very odd reason I didn't come along with it. Too many controls and a bit hard to get any predictable result, while Wave Rider TG - is effortlessly to control and set-up. It doesn't have side-chain (which I don't need anyway) though.
I have used it to smooth out levels on vocal tracks. And while it is not controlling channel fader (as original ProTools version does) - it does write automation, and currently I copying automation data from plug-in to channel fader and slightly adjusting it to my taste (though developer is mentioning that the results are different - it is still a good and relevant way for me to use it like that). The results are super nice to my ears.

That’s certainly good news. I haven’t had much issue with Waves Vocal Rider myself. Nothing is ever perfect. I just find it’s great for getting most things and then automate it’s output control, to get the last few things. Certainly faster than doing it by hand.

[Halonmusic]

Jhud Studio Vocal King
https://www.jhudstudio.com/paid-plugins

[The Noodlist]

Melda MAGC might work.
TBProAudio GainRider 2.
TBProAudio DynaRide.
Sonic Anomaly VOLA.
BlueLab Audio Plugins AutoGain.
https://www.kvraudio.com/plugins/gain-riding

[jochicago]

I recently got my hands on Outlaw. Only tried it for a test but I like what it's doing. I think it doesn't offer automation writing, but in terms of leveling it does a good job and it beats Waves VR in that Outlaw offers controls.

That's my one complaint about Waves Vocal Rider, that the options of fast/slow don't seem detailed enough. I often find myself wanting at least a middle option, or even better an opportunity to set the knobs. Outlaw has the knobs.

[Obsolete462444]

TBProAudio DynaRide. Even though i designed the look of this plugin, but i won't write it here if i don't think it was worth to check.

Hey Crimsonmerry,
are you still doing GUI design for audio plugins?

[arkmabat]

While somewhat different, this is free.
https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2015/0 ... st-plugin/

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