They are way ahead on this. Have a look at this and it is worth reading.Would someone make a preset for Cakewalk Sonar
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=202178
Behringer BCR2000/BCF2000 presets&Templates page
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- KVRian
- 679 posts since 6 Aug, 2004 from Cyberspace
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=202178
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 444 posts since 16 Dec, 2003 from here and now
Howdy Quiffy thx a lot for the head up 
, in fact for some reason I had no midi out (logic audio) so the feedback was not working, and as I had no time really till today to get these facts right I thought it was another limitation of logic or just another chimera.
But now it works indeed, and it suddenly makes this machine (BCR) more than that : it's not motorised, but as if it were
I updated the logic template already on the page so that they respond to this cool feature.
Ronny Pries you should try and take a closer look at the behringer website, they just issued a little bios patcher and some extended faq on the latest bios. But concerning midi with USB, it's a part of winXP itself, no specific driver required, unless it's win2000 instead, and you need the driver. Also it's specified somewhere that it won't work with win98 as USB device.
Also you could try using the driver 1.1.1.0 released today, maybe it'll work better?
skOre, there's no problem with sleeping either, it's even good for the health
so take your time and have fun
, in fact for some reason I had no midi out (logic audio) so the feedback was not working, and as I had no time really till today to get these facts right I thought it was another limitation of logic or just another chimera. But now it works indeed, and it suddenly makes this machine (BCR) more than that : it's not motorised, but as if it were
I updated the logic template already on the page so that they respond to this cool feature.
Ronny Pries you should try and take a closer look at the behringer website, they just issued a little bios patcher and some extended faq on the latest bios. But concerning midi with USB, it's a part of winXP itself, no specific driver required, unless it's win2000 instead, and you need the driver. Also it's specified somewhere that it won't work with win98 as USB device.
Also you could try using the driver 1.1.1.0 released today, maybe it'll work better?
skOre, there's no problem with sleeping either, it's even good for the health
so take your time and have fun-
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 444 posts since 16 Dec, 2003 from here and now
What do you mean exatly? To update the firmware yes it's sysex ; to update the display like in the parameter feedback feature? It's midi, but maybe midi is sysex all the way, no?
Anyway there are some good news on the horizon : it's possible to access some extra parameters that can't be set otherwise by *simply* editing the sysex files from the inside (in hex) : the speed of the encoders (from static to dynamic with all thevalues inbetween) ; the function knobs (store, learn, edit, exit) as functional knobs ; default encoder's leds position ; more preset save and recall options, etc.
I didn't tested it myself, just reading this on another forum. Let's hope this will be available in the editor software coming soon...
[EDIT] Actually I just tested it myself, it's not difficult at all, in the margin of the hex editor you've got the function's name and values, easy to edit (there are some free hex editors around, just google for that), but you have to be patient and well concentrated because it makes a lot of precise reading and writing to get the desired result
Also the author of the hex editor trick discovery just made an extended Cubase SX 2.2 64 tracks preset for the BCF2000 using some of these hidden parameters, you can it there : http://bebop.audioshot.net/BCF_2000_Cub ... tracks.zip
Anyway there are some good news on the horizon : it's possible to access some extra parameters that can't be set otherwise by *simply* editing the sysex files from the inside (in hex) : the speed of the encoders (from static to dynamic with all thevalues inbetween) ; the function knobs (store, learn, edit, exit) as functional knobs ; default encoder's leds position ; more preset save and recall options, etc.
I didn't tested it myself, just reading this on another forum. Let's hope this will be available in the editor software coming soon...
[EDIT] Actually I just tested it myself, it's not difficult at all, in the margin of the hex editor you've got the function's name and values, easy to edit (there are some free hex editors around, just google for that), but you have to be patient and well concentrated because it makes a lot of precise reading and writing to get the desired result
Also the author of the hex editor trick discovery just made an extended Cubase SX 2.2 64 tracks preset for the BCF2000 using some of these hidden parameters, you can it there : http://bebop.audioshot.net/BCF_2000_Cub ... tracks.zip
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 5 Apr, 2001
Wowbebop wrote: Anyway there are some good news on the horizon : it's possible to access some extra parameters that can't be set otherwise by *simply* editing the sysex files from the inside (in hex) : the speed of the encoders (from static to dynamic with all thevalues inbetween) ; the function knobs (store, learn, edit, exit) as functional knobs ; default encoder's leds position ; more preset save and recall options, etc.
I didn't tested it myself, just reading this on another forum. Let's hope this will be available in the editor software coming soon...
where can i find this information ? (which forum ?)
i want to do this too.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 444 posts since 16 Dec, 2003 from here and now
the forum isn't in english and there is not much more than that on the thread, but you can easily get a free hex editor googling for example http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&ie=UT ... ogle&meta=
Then all you have to do is to open your sysex in the hex editor. On the left window the raw sysex data and on the right window the corressponding infos in lower codes with encoders and parameters names in natural language. Once you're there you have to find your way through editing the sysex empirically, save, exit and dump back to the B-Control etc.
You should try http://bebop.audioshot.net/BCF_2000_Cub ... Preset.zip from Ceedjay the hex editor guy.
It's a preset for the BCF2000 so but it's the same and you have a template sheet and XML file for SX to help you to find f.e. the 4 function buttons on the B-Control (store, learn, edit, exit) assigned to functions in SX in the preset, etc.
This will be much easier to parameter with the B-Control Edit utility from behringer due to be out on august 29th as final version. No public beta for now then but maybe they would send it to you if you asked them nicely?
But I do not work with SX and I have a deadline for a work this Saturday what takes me all my time for now
Good luck and tell us your results
Then all you have to do is to open your sysex in the hex editor. On the left window the raw sysex data and on the right window the corressponding infos in lower codes with encoders and parameters names in natural language. Once you're there you have to find your way through editing the sysex empirically, save, exit and dump back to the B-Control etc.
You should try http://bebop.audioshot.net/BCF_2000_Cub ... Preset.zip from Ceedjay the hex editor guy.
It's a preset for the BCF2000 so but it's the same and you have a template sheet and XML file for SX to help you to find f.e. the 4 function buttons on the B-Control (store, learn, edit, exit) assigned to functions in SX in the preset, etc.
This will be much easier to parameter with the B-Control Edit utility from behringer due to be out on august 29th as final version. No public beta for now then but maybe they would send it to you if you asked them nicely?
But I do not work with SX and I have a deadline for a work this Saturday what takes me all my time for now
Good luck and tell us your results
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 5 Apr, 2001
ok, i've found the forums you were referring to in france. there was not more information then we knew allready.
the edit, store , learn, etc. button have the values button 53 - 56
however,
in my own syx, these buttons are not included because only the assigned buttons are transmitted to a syx file. That leaves the original syx file from behringer which you have to modify.
this is way to much work , so i wait for the original editor in the next couple of days.
thanks for the info.
the edit, store , learn, etc. button have the values button 53 - 56
however,
in my own syx, these buttons are not included because only the assigned buttons are transmitted to a syx file. That leaves the original syx file from behringer which you have to modify.
this is way to much work , so i wait for the original editor in the next couple of days.
thanks for the info.
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 5 Apr, 2001
did anyone tried the new firmware 1.06 for the bcr and bcf?
you can start the bcf now in mackie control mode with this update.
i want to know if previously created syx files can be used with that firmware.
also in 1.06 the encoder 7 has a new function called deadtime delay. originally on the encoder 7 was the behaviour of en encoder leds. has this been changed?
which daredevil could check this out?
you can start the bcf now in mackie control mode with this update.
i want to know if previously created syx files can be used with that firmware.
also in 1.06 the encoder 7 has a new function called deadtime delay. originally on the encoder 7 was the behaviour of en encoder leds. has this been changed?
which daredevil could check this out?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 444 posts since 16 Dec, 2003 from here and now
Ronny Pries return your laptop to Dell! 
For the deadline delay it's in the global parameter so no problem with each individual encoder's #7 setting, it'll stay where it is. The 1.06 allows to save the current leds position within the preset.
But the major step forward is for the bcf and its new Logic Control and Mackie modes, it sounds really great!
It's time to budget for the BCF, and oh! I got an income from my deadline job
I just made my first serious experiments this week end with the BCF, now I can at last really play the projects with the automation as a final treatment, and it's got nothing to do with the old static ways of
mixing, it adds relief to your music!
Only thing is not to overflow the midi usb channel, for then it crushes the automation in crisped clusters, but I'm using an extra 5 meters midi cable, maybe that's why?
Do you have an idea if separating the mixer lanes by midi channel would help fluidity or is it just equal to send all on midi channel #1?
I hope Behringer will also developp an extra tool for the BCR as they do for the BCF (but to emulate what hardware? Let see how creative the will be at Behringer)
For today as it seems the great deal is the BCF2000. I can't imagine where the developpment of the BCFview in conjonction with the B-Control Edit will take us with these suprising machines, but I'm decided, I'll finally pay twice the money I was ready to put in this, but that'll be much much more than twice the Evolution UC33e I was thinking of getting before I discovered the B-Control units.
Maybe it's time to wait a little more till Behringer offers a bundle BCF/BCF at a special price though, like 350 or 400 euros (don't know the price in the US)?
So ppl get ready your BCFview combo presets we're waiting for them @ http://bebop.audioshot.net/bcr-bcf.html !
For the deadline delay it's in the global parameter so no problem with each individual encoder's #7 setting, it'll stay where it is. The 1.06 allows to save the current leds position within the preset.
But the major step forward is for the bcf and its new Logic Control and Mackie modes, it sounds really great!
It's time to budget for the BCF, and oh! I got an income from my deadline job
I just made my first serious experiments this week end with the BCF, now I can at last really play the projects with the automation as a final treatment, and it's got nothing to do with the old static ways of
mixing, it adds relief to your music!
Only thing is not to overflow the midi usb channel, for then it crushes the automation in crisped clusters, but I'm using an extra 5 meters midi cable, maybe that's why?
Do you have an idea if separating the mixer lanes by midi channel would help fluidity or is it just equal to send all on midi channel #1?
I hope Behringer will also developp an extra tool for the BCR as they do for the BCF (but to emulate what hardware? Let see how creative the will be at Behringer
)For today as it seems the great deal is the BCF2000. I can't imagine where the developpment of the BCFview in conjonction with the B-Control Edit will take us with these suprising machines, but I'm decided, I'll finally pay twice the money I was ready to put in this, but that'll be much much more than twice the Evolution UC33e I was thinking of getting before I discovered the B-Control units.
Maybe it's time to wait a little more till Behringer offers a bundle BCF/BCF at a special price though, like 350 or 400 euros (don't know the price in the US)?
So ppl get ready your BCFview combo presets we're waiting for them @ http://bebop.audioshot.net/bcr-bcf.html !
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 5 Apr, 2001
i'm using the bcf 2000 right now in the mackie control mode together with the mackie viewer. I can say only one thing; INCREDIBLE!!!
every parameter in cubase is available and the faders automates to their corresponding positions. For instance , if i choose panning, every fader motorizes to the corresponding panning position, Fantastic
Even in vsti's every automation parameter is now available in this mackie control mode. on the mackie viewer you will see which parameters you are modifying. for instance if you have a cutoff on your vsti of 80 then the fader will move to the 80 position. so every automation parameter available will act this way.
also within version 1.06 it's now possible to use 3 modes for every push button. (standard, shift, and extra shift).
i've tried to import 1.5 syx in the bcf and this was working fine. so i'm going to update my bcr2000 this afternoon.
I can hardly wait for the software editor for these 2 hardware beasts. Good times are coming this way
now let's hope they will add a mode for the BCR to use also vst automation (in the same way they do as on the bcf) so that every parameter you will program on the bcr will have feedback. This is impossible to do with the generic remote in cubase. So this will definitly be a big step forwards.
every parameter in cubase is available and the faders automates to their corresponding positions. For instance , if i choose panning, every fader motorizes to the corresponding panning position, Fantastic
Even in vsti's every automation parameter is now available in this mackie control mode. on the mackie viewer you will see which parameters you are modifying. for instance if you have a cutoff on your vsti of 80 then the fader will move to the 80 position. so every automation parameter available will act this way.
also within version 1.06 it's now possible to use 3 modes for every push button. (standard, shift, and extra shift).
i've tried to import 1.5 syx in the bcf and this was working fine. so i'm going to update my bcr2000 this afternoon.
I can hardly wait for the software editor for these 2 hardware beasts. Good times are coming this way
now let's hope they will add a mode for the BCR to use also vst automation (in the same way they do as on the bcf) so that every parameter you will program on the bcr will have feedback
. This is impossible to do with the generic remote in cubase. So this will definitly be a big step forwards.-
- KVRist
- 260 posts since 2 May, 2004
Just to keep you up to date:
I'm having a few problems with my unit atm, so my contribution might still take some time until its ready...
Link to FL Thread
I'm having a few problems with my unit atm, so my contribution might still take some time until its ready...
Link to FL Thread
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- KVRist
- 260 posts since 2 May, 2004
Problem solved, plus: I made ot work vice versa, so using a Midi Out instead of a Dashboard, one can tweak knobs inside FL and the BCR will follow
And yes, making a peak controller steer a Knobs LEDs is a hell of a funny thing
And yes, making a peak controller steer a Knobs LEDs is a hell of a funny thing
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- KVRian
- 711 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Mostly in planes and hotels. Terra Firma: Seattle, WA
Now I am REALLY tempted. Especially the BCF!!!Quiffy wrote:i'm using the bcf 2000 right now in the mackie control mode together with the mackie viewer. I can say only one thing; INCREDIBLE!!!
every parameter in cubase is available and the faders automates to their corresponding positions. For instance , if i choose panning, every fader motorizes to the corresponding panning position, Fantastic
Even in vsti's every automation parameter is now available in this mackie control mode. on the mackie viewer you will see which parameters you are modifying. for instance if you have a cutoff on your vsti of 80 then the fader will move to the 80 position. so every automation parameter available will act this way.
also within version 1.06 it's now possible to use 3 modes for every push button. (standard, shift, and extra shift).
i've tried to import 1.5 syx in the bcf and this was working fine. so i'm going to update my bcr2000 this afternoon.
I can hardly wait for the software editor for these 2 hardware beasts. Good times are coming this way
now let's hope they will add a mode for the BCR to use also vst automation (in the same way they do as on the bcf) so that every parameter you will program on the bcr will have feedback
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 31 Aug, 2004
BCF works fantastic in Logic as well under the Logic Control emulation mode (this is for v5.51 Windows)... The only gripe is that during "latch" or "touch" automation, I will need to fight with the fader to get any new automation data written... Anyone encountered this problem???
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